Trix aren't just for kids

I cheated! The risers are 6 25/32" and I wasn't gonna diddle with multiplying 32nds of an inch. Comes out to 24.5625". I'm using 2" X 12" for stringers, AND 2" X 6" under them. The new Pantry goes under that whole area, but we're building in Music, DVD and VHS cabinets on the opposite wall, in the whole corridor, on spinner hardware, like those sunglass racks. We're up to about 500 now, and more to come. One way to get 5 walls worth of movie storage.

So making the stair beefier won't affect anything visual. The wife wants the pantry to stay cool all year long, so it'll be insulated with cold basement air (summer time) pushed up in there.

 

What would a cross-eyed guy do? One of those Escher Stairs?

 

Stiches???? ..... ,

voice of Seinfeld "Soup Nazi" : 'No more sharp objects for you!'

 

13 over the right eyebrow down to eyelid, and KrazyGlue stitching on the left side of the nose. I think it was a piece of wood that just scraped by during the fall last week.

Getting itchy to get to work too...

 

I thought it was your butt you cut! You tryin to do an eyeball thing like me? Glad you didn't get the eye. As for the stairs....I believe I'd just buy a couple of cheap step ladders and hook em in place with duct tape. Red Greene probably has the plans for it!

 

Nah, my butt's too cute to cut. My face... well... one more scar to rack up... I'll heal up fast though.

That was too close to my eye. Whew!

 

I found some sites last night for your future deck stairs:

http://www.binkyswoodworking.com/Stairs.php

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/how-to/qa/cutting-angled-stair-stringers.aspx

This one gives all the Math formulas and some really good tips. By the looks of it, he's from British Columbia, because he refers to the 'BC Code', in his notes.
http://www.chambers-house-build-it.com/STAIRS.html

 

The biggest mistake I see beginneers doing on steps is to NOT properly total the difference between bottom landing and top ... they fail to include the top landing's finished deck material ... usually 1 1/2" error

 

Shhh... Actually, I've seen that too, and watched a German foreman kick the carpenter off the jobsite for it.

Can't wait to get the stitches off! I'm rarin' to get this done, so the insulators can come in the next two weeks.

 

Actually I was providing input for KK's proposed summer deck project ...you appear to have the math down, I think if you have any problems its gonna be to NOT flatten your thumb with hammer while building them!! LOL

 

Ouch! My dad started me de-nailing old lumber back in the early 50s, I was 8 or so. I guess he figured that being young, my thumbs would grow back during adulthood... He was right. See?

 

Download this one! Just found it on your US Library System (free and worth a bundle!)

http://www.archive.org/details/stairbuildingmad00hodgiala

 

Thanks, Norm!
Those are going to help me a lot.

 

This same (Fred Hodgson) author wrote three books as an Architect, but he got hooked into it by being a carpenter FIRST!. There's one book which is split with Stairs and using the Carpenter's Square:

http://www.archive.org/details/stairbuildingthe00hodgiala

and this one is all about handrails and balustrades, but with a lot on glue-ups for corners and curves in Winders of all shapes, including Elliptical!
http://www.archive.org/details/commonsensesta00hodg

I read through the parts I really needed to clear up, and saw some neat details on Step Riser and Tread rabbets (mortising), etc. This guy wrote for real-world carpenters. Good, useful reading.

Even goes into detail on how to use a small 'tenon' saw to cut the housed stringer mortises, by hand!

But back to our time travel adventure. This UK company makes nice Stair closed stringer router jigs:

http://www.trend-uk.com/en/UK/productlist/3/190/stair_jigs.html

If you roll over (with the mouse) at the two mortise images, you'll see a special Router bit (usually an angular tenon cut):
http://www.trend-uk.com/en/UK/product/STAIR_A/3/190/stair_jig_a_complete_closed_riser_.html

Us prairie folk usually have good size properties, so Stairs aren't all that common, and niether are Stair building router bits. I checked out Freud's website - none called Stair-related bits. I love my Bosch tools, and found this one:
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/ItemResults.aspx?catid=414

Then I checked out the dimensions of that monster - 7/8"!
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=85413M#specs


From this page:
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductCategory.aspx?catid=103

Most books talk about a 5/8" bit!

I like the angular cut, because the glue would hit both sides but a 7/8" cut wouldn't be all that useful for a 3/4" riser board.

Do you know of a Router bit that's made for the job, with a smaller diameter? Like around 5/8"? I checked Lee Valley, and they don't carry one. I can handle a 1/4" or 1/2" shaft in my Bosch. And I've got the collets. Its the bit that's the problem.

The Dovetail bits at Woodpeckers' site (7 degree angle) looks about right. Any thoughts, recommends?

http://www.woodpeck.com/whitesidedovetail.html

While you're on that Bosch router bit section, check out the Round Over and bullnose bits. HUGE! Whew!
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductCategory.aspx?catid=117

 

Wingnut, I found a couple of Wedge/Shim jig articles too.

This is slick and simple:
http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2010/10/29/shim-cutting-jig/

This is just OK:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Wedges

This one is something I might build later for my furniture projects:

"Wedge Cutting Jig"

About halfway down the page:
http://www.consultingwoodworker.com/free_stuff_and_links

It's an old tool that comes from one of the other books on Furniture making from that same 'Archive.org' website. I downloaded that book too:
http://www.archive.org/details/furnitureforcraf01otte