California will rule our Emissions Standards

TBird, check out State Industries Commerical Parts list. Looks like they passed the approvals - LOW NOX replacement parts:

http://www.statewaterheaters.com/lit/partslist/com-gas.html

I went to the client's labs. These things were about 15" long, and about 2" OD. The lab burner was used to ignite the fuel, Crude Oil, Coal or Natural Gas, but the unit was the same one. Stainless steel. It was 'tuned' by moving the inner spirals to get a sonic vibration 'pulse' going. Once it was there, the emissions were cleaner than the Office Air. Seems it burned off any floating particles of dust as well.

 

Well TBIRD, I'm a bit calmer after seeing that BAR site and your DMV site. There aren't enough governing party web designers here, nor the money, to build an equivalent site.

Secondly, they don't have enough historical experience to provide the detailed info.

Now I feel like a Lion ready to pounce on them.

 

Here in California,in 1988,one of the people in charge of the Air Quality Management District seriously suggested outlawing all cars made prior to the 1982 model year.As the 1982 model year was the first one that required all cars sold in America,to meet the same smog and safety standards as all cars made in America.And it was the California/Colorado smog standards that were setting the example...Now,here in America,we have an unamendable clause in the Constitution that prohibits expo-facto laws.So,supposedly,cars can't be outlawed,as long as they still meet the standards of the era in which they were made.No smog and safety standards when Model T's were made?Model T's can't be outlawed...That's one of the reasons many are against this North American Union thing,because it would toss out the Constitution.And all the rules and safeguards built into it...Expo-facto laws could very well be legal in the NAU.

 

:rant: Here is a few facts you may what to know. First (in CA) you can swap motors from a newer car to a older car. But, you must have all smog parts for year of the eng. Incldding evap.
Secent, the used oil callected at drop sites. Some of it goes to making rerefinded oil for sale to large fleet service shops, good. How evernot all makes it there. whats left is use as bonker oil for ships. Thats right, burned. And, we the car celector are the one taking the hit. What about cleaner ships, it worked with trains. Out-of-site out-of-mind.

 

Many ocean going vessels still get to flush their toilets into the ocean.Only ocean liners,as a whole class of ship,have voluntarily installed septic tanks.And many run on dirty fuels.The vast majority of oil tankers run on the crude they're delivering.Very dirty...and we're crimes against humanity and the environment,for driving vehicles older than ten years.My Colony Park HAS TO pass smog tests for eight more years.When was the last time any ocean going vessel had to even take ONE smog test?

 

amen! Time for cleaner ships, not just cars.

 

Even the U.S. Navy no longer flushes to the sea. They also have to hold all trash. Nothing is dumped. I don't know about emissions from their power plants though. Not to many oil fired ships left. Mostly turbine and nuclear powered.

Just think of 66,000 aircraft flying around all with multiple engines spewing exhaust in to the atmosphere. Automobiles seem like a small polluter compared to coal fired power plants, ships, planes etc. Did you know that China opens a new coal fired power plant every week? The average CO2 emissions from one of the 142 coal fired power plants in the U.S. sends 15,000,000 tons of CO2 in the air every year? It's depressing considering that cars are picked on so much.

 

Our fleets are still on oil. The 3 British Nuclear subs are drydocked to repair them.

The emissions breakdown we have up here is:

26% - Industrial
25% - Homes
24% - Vehicles
22 to 35% - Farm and Forest Industries

On homes, they're flogging insulation and high-efficiency furnaces or geothermal (which still runs on Gas or Hydro). I am truly baffled, seriously, that our Province doesn't cut gas off, except for vehicles and restaurants. We generate and export our Hydro from Dams and Wind and Solar, and its the CHEAPEST on the planet! Our gas comes from 1,000 miles west of us and doesn't serve the Northern half of the Province.

On Farms, the big Farm Pesticide and Herbicide firms know that their chemical makeup emits CO and CO2 plus nitrides and won't change the mix.

On vehicles, the fuel is so expensive that people don't do long road trips anymore. We're at about $0.92 per liter ($3.68 CDN) per US Gallon for Regular. Plus the Clunker-Cash concept is being pondered by most provinces.

Industry gets all the Luv. Small fines, 16 more lakes given to them for mine tailings, research grants (not loans), and they 'must' reduce by 2050.

Just business as usual.

Oh yeah, and no push to reduce garbage that won't self-destroy under 20 years. SOOO! BC ships it into the US. The US ships it to Mexico. Northern Canada ships it close to First Nations Reservations, which flows back to our sources of clean water. Flush Twice, it's a long way to Toronto. :banghead3:

You don't have to be a green weenie. Just be a cash-hoarding green weenie. Up go the waterbills, because they have to add more chemicals to make it safe (still smells and tastes like up here in the North end of the City, Andy's is great!)

The gas companies raise their rates because their still researching clean refining technology (we've had it since 1989, but they're studying it).

Our food prices are way too high to cover the tax-grab by fertilizer, pesticide/herbicide firms (mostly from France, BTW).

Oh, and wait until they start charging Carbon Taxes on homes! It's on the books here, but too many would vote against any party that does. BC might be the first, if they re-elect the incumbent government in June?

That deal is that your car(s), number of people in the home, and energy type and usage all add to emissions. If you fire up a pool heater or run a connected Natural Gas BBQ or other stuff and go over a national average... the bill's in the mail.:banghead3:

 

ahhhh....I still dream of the simpler days of my youth.
Just too many monkey' on this rock. We need to weed some of them out. Like all the politicians!

 

Now that we know that there's methane on Mars, maybe we could ship them there and have less CO2 and hot air?

 

I would seriously like that idea.....any planet but this one.

 

This will probably end up being my longest post ever...(1)Back in 1999 and 2000,I worked Security at a building where several lawyers got The Automotive News.A weekly publication outlining what had gone on in the auto industry,the week before.The paper was pushing hard,the idea that each of the big three needed to come up with a world car to sell to India and China,in the new millenium.AND,pushing them to make it a luxury car...The Chrysler 300,The Cadillac Seville/STS and the Lincoln LS6 and 8,grew out of this push to make a world car...At the time,I was thinking,"NO! We DON'T need to be making cars for India and China!" India allready has cars.Those plastic ones from from East Germany.Indians don't need luxury cars.They need Escorts and Metros and Neons...China has like 3 billion bicycles.They don't need cars at all...But now they do.Bicycles are now banned from the streets of Shanghai,so the people in cars stop running them over.And China has NO emissions standards,what-so-ever,and no plans on getting any...which brings us around to(2)coal fired power plants.China and India have no emissions standards for them either...The USA has some,and their coal plants are still way dirty...China and India are going to make more smog in the next twenty years,than America made during the last 200 years of industrial revolution...I seem to remember a saying about Hell and a handbasket...

 

Ummm....Taranau....this is NOT your longest post ever.

 

I think our Canadian system, based on the post-royal British Parliamentary system is as close to a dictatorial democracy as you can get. We don't get to vote for our Prime Minister - You guys have Primaries. We can't fund our members of Parliament, you guys can fund their campaigns. Any party member who votes against his party's motions can and does get backbenched as an Independent. If the Party doesn't think the existing candidate can't win in a riding, they parachute some 'star-power' from Mars, pi$$ off every local voter and hope they get their Yes-man or bonbon.

On the flipside, we don't have the expense of electing Senators, Judges, DA's, Sherrifs or County heads.

BUT! Just so that the sham is perpetuated, they all push for photo-ops, newsbites and media gossip. They don't want us to forget who they are.

Our Federal Parliament has 308 members of all parties who won a seat. There are 4 other parties who never elected a member. Each member has a Parliamentary staff, a riding staff, and they get to fly home on the weekends or their long breaks. Annual cost is over $12 billion.

Then we have a Senate of 78 members with an annual cost of about $2 billion (including the inflation indexed, tax free pensions for life) who also get a free ride home on the weekends. They only have to work 42 days per year to keep their jobs.

Then each Province has its Parliament and the same structure (just smaller) which has similar parties to the Federal parties. For some reason the Provincial politicians don't consider the Federal game as a promotion - they do not aspire to become Federal members.

Then each Province has Counties or Parishes (Quebec, Manitoba and New Brunswick have Parishes) with their staff and services.

Each city has its big political machine and most School boards have theirs.

Canada has over 5 million governing 33 million. Does that make sense to any body? The City of Tokyo, Osaka, Bejing, Shanghai, Mumbai, or Mexico City have less than a million running their cities, all of which are larger or really close to all of Canada's entire population!!!

And every level of politician wants us to see or hear his hotair.

 

Damn good write up, Norm!