Thanks Joe, by the way, are you an Italian-American? I read in Wikipedia that in the late 70s there were new federal regulations on emissions and safety that lead to a change in US cars. By the way, how do you cope with sealed headlamps nowadays? Do you change them with lamps allowing replaceable bulbs?
The world needs more decent people! Good work on the timelines. Very interesting. My wife and I and our daughter and her boyfriend spent two weeks in Italy in June 2007. We flew into and out of Venice and spent most of our time in Udine visiting our daughter's exchange student host family. We had a great time. Venice is fantastic. We also visited Aquileia and saw the Roman ruins, Padua (Padova), Venzone, Bordano (home of the butterflies!), San Daniele, Spilimbergo, and Lignano. We also took a trip to Postojna, Slovenia to see the Postojnska cave system. You have a beautiful country.
Well, all four grandparents came over in the early 1900s and the four family names were Padavano, Campanale, Cariglia, and Conforte, so yeah, you might say that... I just use sealed beam halogens, which are readily available.
Hi dbev Nice timeline. BTW.....I'm an Italian American. My wife is too. Her family is from Naples. Mine......I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to kill you.
Thanks for the lamps. You may know that every descendant of people who left Italy from 1861 onwards has the right to ask for the Italian citizenship... that also means European citizenship... Those surname seems from the South of Italy.
Nice to meet you! "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse." Gli farò un'offerta che non potrà rifiutare. (Don Vito Corleone)
We heard about this when my daughter went to Italy as an exchange student and we were applying for her visa. I am half Italian (father's side), and I was told that I might be eligible, and thus my daughter might be eligible, for Italian citizenship. But it turned out that we were not eligible. My grandfather emigrated from Italy in 1910 at the age of 16. My father was born in 1930. In order for me to be eligible to be an Italian citizen, or even for my father to be eligible to be an Italian citizen, my father would have had to have been born BEFORE my grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen. Because my grandfather became naturalized before 1930, none of his descendants through my father are eligible for citizenship. There's a website that helps you figure this out. http://www.italiancitizenship.info/...sanguinis&catid=38:eligibility-jure-sanguinis I don't think the 1861 date is correct, either. From what I've read, any Italian ancestor naturalized before June 14, 1912 cannot transmit citizenship, even if their sons or daughters were born before they were naturalized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_nationality_law Nonetheless, Italian and other European country citizenship eligibility rules are quite generous, and many descendants of Italian emigrants, American or otherwise, probably don't realize the other citizenships they might be eligible for. (Yes, this is a bit off topic. I apologize!)
I did not know that. Interesting... Bari and Calabria, so yes. I've been to Italy once, only to the north (Venice, Naples, Florence). Apparently the name Padavano originally comes from the town of Padova. We passed through Padova on the train from Munich to Venice. The first thing you see as you enter Padova is an auto wrecking yard, so it must be where the family name comes from!
There is no generational limit. However, while there is no generational limit to claiming Italian citizenship through "jus sanguinis" the ancestor who immigrated from Italy must have died in the Italian Peninsula or abroad after March 17, 1861, according to Italian Ministry of Interior. Any person who died prior to that date was not a citizen of Italy, because this was before the unified nation of Italy was formed. Subsequently, that person had no ability to pass on Italian citizenship. (Wikipedia) This is what I knew. Your father was born in a country other than Italy, your paternal grandfather was officially recognized as an Italian citizen at the time of his birth, neither you nor your father ever renounced your right to the Italian citizenship. (Wikipedia) This is partly your case, isn't it? Grandfather: born 1894 in Italy. Italian citizen. Naturalised US citizen. Did he renounce his right to the Italian citizenship? Father: born in 1930 in the USA. US citizen. Neither you nor your father ever renounced your right to the Italian citizenship, or not? I wouldn't like to insist nor I know how important this is for you, for me is important only because Italy is a member State of the EU, otherwise I greatly dislike the majority of this people. I suggest you to try again with a well informed and specialised clerical officer, and I can assure you that I've read many stories about the employees of Italian consulates and none were positive. I met people in a situation like yours, and they had no problems. http://www.ambwashingtondc.esteri.it/Ambasciata_Washington/Templates/Pagina_Interna.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID={8B73B003-82F6-4F87-84ED-701AA34327C3}&NRORIGINALURL=%2fAmbasciata_Washington%2fMenu%2fInformazioni_e_servizi%2fServizi_consolari%2fCittadinanza%2f&NRCACHEHINT=NoModifyGuest As they say, you may have lost your right to acquire the citizenship, but you most surely have the right to have it back.
This I don't know, and we were never told anything about this. I've certainly never renounced my Italian citizenship. I wouldn't even know how to go about doing it officially. I doubt my father ever did. He probably wouldn't know how do it, either, not that he would want to. We spoke with the Italian Consulate in Cleveland at the time. We were just told about the need for the grandfather to not have been a naturalized U.S. citizen before my father was born. Because he was naturalized, I wasn't eligible. End of story. The first link I gave in my posting above that helps you determine if you're eligible confirms that I'm not. There was no mention by the consulate about renouncing Italian citizenship. I didn't know my grandfather well as he died when I was 6 years old, but I don't think he would have renounced his Italian citizenship if he didn't have to. On the other hand, my father's mother, who was also an Italian immigrant, felt very strongly about her children being raised as "Americans." She did not teach my father or his brother (two years older) to speak Italian, even though she spoke it fluently, and Italian was not spoken in the house, even between my grandfather and grandmother, so far as I know. My grandmother came to the U.S. as an 11 month old infant in 1899, so, unlike my grandfather, she would have had no memories whatsoever of Italy and thus probably would not have felt any allegiance to the country nor need to maintain her citizenship. I think she considered herself American through and through. She outlived my grandfather by 19 years, dying in 1982 when I was 25 years old. So, unlike my grandfather, I got to know her pretty well. I could see her renouncing her Italian citizenship and convincing her husband to do the same.
Yes most surely. Padova -> padovano -> padavano None of you Italian-Americans is still speaking Italian, are you?
I never learned it. But my daughter, now 21, who spent six months in Italy in 2006, speaks it very well. When we visited her host family in 2007, she did most of the translating between her host parents and her mother and me.
Yes, this thing about disliking the Italian people is and was quite common. The land was beautiful and we made a mess of it. The people is weak and many Italians open-heartly dislike it, me included. Take my case: now the only manner I may have to find a future for myself is to emigrate. Fortunately, some very wise man (the founding fathers of the European Union including one of the persons I respect the most Altiero Spinelli) built this Union for us, and I don't need a visa for the 27 member States of the EU. Otherwise, I would have already committed suicide.
I don't think you should read too much into this. I doubt my grandmother disliked Italy. I think it was more a need to demonstrate both to herself and others that she was truly an American and considered herself one before anything else. Discrimination against immigrants was quite common in the early part of the 20th century, and Italian immigrants were not immune. Terms like "wop" and "dago" arose then and were used commonly. Everyone thought anyone whose last name ended in a vowel was part of the Mafia. It's history. It was the times. We can't change it. Today, 100 years later, we look back on that period, and we learn from it, just like we look back on any period in history. But I don't think we carry those attitudes and prejudices to this day. At least, we shouldn't.
