Is my wagon a wagon?

Discussion in 'General Station Wagon Discussions' started by Poison_Ivy, Sep 22, 2018.

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Is this a wagon or just a long-roofed something else?

  1. Of course, it's

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  2. Definitely not

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  3. Not sure

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  4. It's a small- bus or van

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  5. Other vehicle type

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  6. I don't care. It's not mine anyway

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  1. Doghead

    Doghead Well-Known Member

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    The factory calls for between 0.020 - 0.044 mm. Since I was measuring from underneath, it wasn't easy trying to bend the scale, in order to circumvent each crank throw. The scales were shown in increments of 0.025-, 0.038-, 0.05 etc... mm each

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    To my best estimate, given poor lighting conditions, I've gotten the following readings, starting from worst to best, with swapped shells on each throw:

    1. 0.038 mm
    2. >0.025 - <0.038 mm
    3. 0.025 mm
    The best throw doesen't look like it would need any emery treatment. As far as the other two are concerned, I can be a little more generous with the middle throw. But, must watch it with the first one. In which case, I'll only use enough emery that will smoothen out any unseen-through-naked-eye rough edges. Before I might go too far, I'll plastigage that particular throw, once more.
    In any event, this is nothing, compared to a newly monumental Fluster Cuck authored by E-Bay of whom, like Amazon, seem to have outgrown their already over-inflated egos. As I went about trying to order the bearing set, there was no option for paying for the order in advance. Either you do it through PayPal or you have to use a credit card. It used to be that you could e-mail e-Bay and get instructions on how to. Since this bearing set isn't currently available in Germany, as far as I know, I had to order it from Great Britain, despite the online shop being physically located in Bulgaria which usually accepts payment in EUROs. The shop itself also makes it impossible to e-mail them. All that's available is a telephone number. I could possibly get the payment in advance bank data through SMS. But, for me, that seems a little too shady, without the usual E-Bay money back guarantee:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CON-ROD-ENGINE-BEARING-SET-STD-DAIHATSU-MIRA-CUORE-HI-JET-850-ED10-TAIHO-JAPAN/113718966476?fits=Car+Make:Daihatsu|Model:Move|Cars+Type:0.8|Plat_Gen:L6_|Cars+Year:1998&hash=item1a7a2db8cc:g:fAoAAOSw~y9ZAdL7

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    The compressed width of those wax stripes could be misleading, since the plastigage wax will compress into the caused by damage grooves. In this case, without a precision micrometer, the true journal diameter cannot be accurately determined enough to judge if flat-grinding the journal to below the groove's depth will superceed specifications allowing standard-sized bearingshell replacement or not. Therefore, the actual distance between the outer surface of the journal in question and the bearing surface itself will be less than the plastigage will reveal. So, if the reading taken being 0.038 would be adjusted for wax seeping into the grooves, the actual distance between the bearing shell and the outer edge of the journal itself might be only 0.035 or less, taking a wild guess. In that case, applying emery would only affect that outter surface, sanding it back down to a 0.038 micrometer reading, if only the outter journal surface were to get measured.
    In a worse case scenario where absolutely no standard bearings were available and no shop is available for re-babbiting the original shells, what I could do is to install the best shells swapped from the rods to the caps onto the worse journal and vice versa. This would give me less clearance on the most damaged journal, while giving me more on the undamaged one, while still being within reasonable specs on all three. In turn, either the knock will temporarilly end or there could be more than one lighter knocks which would buy time. Running it on the heaviest recommended oil, in that case, could put a buffer between the groove's void and the bearing shell. Driving the vehicle lightly could prolong service, until I could get into a comfortable situation for doing everything right
     
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    I found the company's e-mail adress, yesterday, and they wrote back with necessary bank data. They only want 20€ for the set and 5€ postage. So, I'm wiring them their money, later on. They've got a good Ebay rating. So, I'm going for it.
    Here's what the middle one looks like:


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    I just got wise to a site which offers almost anything for all automatic transmissions. They're usefull for identifying all U.S. automatics, because they show detailed images of all pan types:

    https://www.fatsco.net/pan-gasket-id


    I was trying to look up both import brands which might have had my pan gasket, to no avail. However, the rebuild kits on a couple of them might, for the most part, work. I could go ahead and try getting that Permatex goop:

    https://www.permatex.com/products/g...atex-automatic-transmission-rtv-gasket-maker/

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    I'm however, apprehensive about gluing the pan on, because the engine's oilpan was glued on at the factory. But, the shop manual calls for using a gasket for panning the transmission, instead. I can always get a sheet of cork, if it comes down to it

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  4. Silvertwinkiehobo

    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    That would be the way to go. Just get a hole punch for the bolt holes, same style as leather hole punches, but depending on the bolt diameter, you get one that cuts a 5 or 6mm hole.
     
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    I've got one of those leather-punch pliers. I'm just not sure what to order. They've got this in 1.5 and 2 mm.
    I'll wait until I get it running. It's not urgent. The tensioner's ordered locally and it'll take between 2 and 2 1/2 weeks to show up. I'll bring the pan in, when the tensioner's there. If he can't match it up with an on the shelf gasket, I'll ask if he's got the cork sheets.
    In the mean time, I can run the engine with the old tensioner
     
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    I pulled the drums today, only to discover even more Three Stoogery. The cylinders were evidently replaced, at such low milage. Either this was unnecessary work, in order to milk the old lady who religiously took her car to dealer inspections, or they didn't bother bleeding the system at recommended intervals. At only around 60.000 miles, even if a couple of intervals were missed, they still could have rebuilt the cylinders. The ones on there neither look Japanese nor First World. This three-circled symbol also looks unfamiliar, as does the barrel measurement given in inches. I removed the cups only to see plenty of fluid pouring out of both cylinders. The finish on the barrel casting and softness of the cap rubber are dead ringers for new replacements. In which case, I'm not even bothering with rebuilding them. Instead, I'll order quality items.
    On the other hand, the shoes are quality A.T.E.s. I've sprayed them with brake cleaner and will keep them in service.
    Some Cabbage Head decided to remove the nut without bothering to remove the cotter pin. Thus, ruining the spindle's thread


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  7. Silvertwinkiehobo

    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    You might be able to recut the threads. Is there a tool rental place you can go to? I'm trying to remember, but it seems those small car spindles are an M14 or M15-2.0mm? Something like that, because sourcing a replacement spindle might be too expensive, if not doable. As for the wheel cylinders, I'm surprised they were able to fit anything that wasn't made specifically for it.
     
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    Anyone can fly to China with a part they want duplicated. There are no formalities about it. They'll take you immediately to the shop floor, measure the item and give you a price on a batch of them. All without formal introductions and the usual cordial butt-kissing.
    I turned the castlenut backwards, after removing as many shavings from the threads as possible and then screwed it onto the spindle with the threads oiled. It cleaned up the threads a little. I'll then use the undamaged castlenut from the other side and torque it to specs. It should hold, since most of the damage is located around where the cotter pin belongs.
    Yeah, it uses 14 mm threads. I think, a 1,25 mm pitch. I'll make it a point to measure it, once the new parts are in. The spindels are one of the few items which aren't a pain to remove. If the studs are pressed in, I might end up having to heat up the surroundings, though.
    At the Daihatsu forum, a member told me that once the shoes get wet, they're junk. That would be the first time I've ever replaced shoes because of that. Would steam drive out the brake fluid from the shoes?
    As I was looking up parts, I ran into this blog featuring my vehicle with the turbocharger option. The one below appears to be Maylasian-built versions of th eabove, after the Japanese version went out of production, upon introduction of the second series:

    https://www.google.nl/search?source...ZIBAzIuOJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab




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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Yeah, I've never heard of brake fluid ruining brake material. Axle lube, yes, but not brake fluid, although there's a first time for everything. I'd wash them with hot, soapy water to break the brake fluid down, then finish with brake cleaner to remove all contaminants. Once back together and driving, use the brakes carefully (longer stopping distances) till you know they're working well and not falling apart.
     
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    Does anybody recognize this brand? This used to be the badge used on air-cooled trucks once built in former Yugoslavia (if I'm not mistaken, the engine was copied from an older German design). If they had cast my brake cylinders, that would be justification enough for pitching them:

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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    Unless the letters are in the circles, I'd say they're not the same manufacturer.
     
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    My bearings finally got here, yesterday. They're original factory issues. The ordeal is a long story. The online shop has proven dependable. There were issues with his bank and shipment. His bank doesen't automatically notify him. So, after a long while waiting, I asked if the order went out. He wrote back that it'll go out, on proof of payment. I then sent a photocopy of the transaction and then he sent out the items later that evening. Everything went smooth, until the deliveryboy found out that he could earn as much money keeping the items in his truck, instead of getting out to slide it into the postbox, as pictured, meaning that he wasn't even here. Luckilly, the seller chose a delivery company which will stop a return in its tracks. It then arrived to where I could pick it up.
    The rear brake cylinders was shipped by a different company of which didn't have a possibility of stopping a return designed in their website. It ended up getting returned. I was so pi$$'d that I didn't bother with them further. Instead, I went to the local parts store with the TRW number used for ordering the cylinders from the internet. They had a different supplier. But, it was still possible to get them in aluminum casting. I placed the order and picked them up this morning. It cost me 30€ more which sux. But, at least I can drive the car this summer. That over 30€ was a big chunk over the 52,95€ it would have only costed delivered from the net

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    Silvertwinkiehobo "Everything that breaks starts with 'F.'"

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    That is bogus. I mean, what the Hell goes through someone's head when they do that?
     
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    Egoism, pure and simple. I suppose, they don't beleive in the universal law of paybacks. This also continues, because victims don't bother reporting such incidents.
    Later on today, I'm sending the delivery company an e-mail containing this photograph, as well as a detailed explanation of what seems to have gone on
     
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    I found a sheet in my stash. It reads, "Schleifgewebe" (abrasive tissue). However they arrived at naming it that is beyond me. The sheet I have is too coarse. This Saturday, I cut a strip of 600 wet sandpaper and soaked it in the old brake fluid of which I drained before replacing the cylinders. I then wrapped it around the first journal and then tried the wrapped-around shoelace trick. I couldn't move it enough. I think, it'll only work with real emery paper, because it has a coarser backing.
    I then capitulated and just installed the new bearings on the first throws. For doing the third, I'll have to remove the crossmember again, later on today. If it stops knocking, I'll know that this was the problem and not the piston slapping a ridge. As soon as the bearing surface, which was pretty well scored and discolored blue due to excessive heat, wears into the new bearing, it should begin knocking again. If so, I'll either look into a new crankshaft or have this one ground, depending on which possibility would be economically feasable and if a new shaft is even still available. Then there's the question of how much to grind off. The next undersize doesen't seem like much meat.
    Getting back to that progressive wear pattern, it's almost as if the engine was purposely vandalized, in order to squeeze unnecessary repair from the old lady. I'm guessing that dirt was packed into the return side of the filter. Or maybe even valve-grinding compound
     

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