Occupy Wall Street

Yes, it seems like everyone agrees so far.

I have a quote I would like to share regarding Wikipedia. My cousin always refers to Wikipedia and I always think of this:
"Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So, you know you are getting the best possible information. "
- Michael Scott from The Office

 

LOL Yup....that pretty much sums up Wiki!

 

Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and Jessie Jackson are coming out in support of the protesters.

I think that should be enough proof that there are nefarious reasons for getting those "useful idiots" into the streets.

 

So is George Carlin.
(Not safe for work!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=acLW1vFO-2Q

 

So is Geaorge Carlin WHAT? I don't understand what you mean, PB?

 

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edit: i dont mean to sound like a dick ..but i think i kinda come across that way in this post. dont read too much into it!

 

Are you guys still eating up band width on this? How about a wagon story from one of the old timers?

 

Here is how this young one feels...

Honestly I haven't thoroughly read the whole thing but I feel I get the basic gist of it.

First off, I believe that it is a fact that the American educational system is seriously lacking... but that is something to delve into further at a later time.

Now, I am all for having opinions and ideals, but when and only when there has been ample research and knowledge gained along side facts and proof to support a protest can a protest be had by those wishing to protest. Now, that is to say that those who wish to protest should know thoroughly what they are about and then and only then should they choose to make their stand and protest. That being said I have felt that the time has come when a protest is overdue. However, I do have fears as to what it is that may be under protest and what might come of it. I believe that there are many great "ideals" that would most certainly benefit the world but truly cannot happen with humanity and society as a whole existing and also remaining the way it is... Too many people are just not ready for some of the best things. So small steps need to be taken and civility maintained with the lack of martial law and the oppinions of all being heard WITH the understanding that while feeling strongly about ones opinions, feelings, moral standing, etc. that ALL MUST be willing to be equally understanding to others while they are up to voice as you should be treated while you are up to voice. I know it sounds lengthy and complicated, but so is what we have now. I believe that too many people are cut off from their rights to know and thus denied themselves the right to speak. I may have strong opinions about things but I always keep myself open to new information, ideas, and so on.

As for war, I feel war is only justifiable when there is a threat to life and/or the safety of peoples lives and way of life. I feel I must also add that there are many ways of life that I don't agree with but as long as you DO NOT force or pressure me or anybody to agree with you or condemn or wish to harm in any way those who differ from you then we can get along [like realistic adults should]... I will not condemn or persecute you for your cultural differences. If I, at age 25, can do something so reasonable, then why can't others and why can't we teach this simple aspect of reality to our children... I, and my wife, are not Christian nor do we claim any religion...

BTW, a [staged] protest IS a great way to distract the public...

As for taxes... without money the state can't do anything or provide services... BUT taxes and the laws pertaining need some serious evaluations.

I think I will stop now.

-X

 

see, you are exactly right...generally that is the libertarian mindset.
but people anymore use that as an excuse to instill fear and sway people in a particular direction. example... i have a friend who works in the ...umm...adult video industry. and he hates Sarah Pailin based on the thought that she would force him to be a Christian. (that is nor ever was gonna happen)

I am a Christian, i may share my faith with you but i will leave it up to God and his plan. Forced belief is not true faith....and who wants that.

 

If you tax all of the corporations instead of those who believe the way you do, then you are just driving away business. An investor won't invest at a high risk for low profit, ever. When you put regulations on businesses here and fees and such but don't put a tariff on imports then you are destroying businesses. Raising taxes in a failing economy will destroy business. The results are very obvious, which leads me to believe they don't want America to be number one.

 

I'm a punk 22 year old who doesn't know squat. But I will say this.

Most of these "protests" are crap, an illusion. Just to catch the eyes of the public so the ones in Washington can push some other B.S. onto us. I use to get involved in politics and the likes there of. It made me an angry person. Once I stopped caring (less) you become a happier person.

Now, when I have the money (which isn't often) I fuel up the Vista Cruiser and drive. Just drive and forget how crappy things are. Thats all it takes, if I can't drive it I pull it into my carport and just tinker. Yes, I just said tinker. If its detailing or fixing a random problem.

Take your mind off the current mess, it will do you some good.

Oh and yes, most people my age get EVERYTHING handed to them. Its pretty freaking sad.

 

Good man 77Vista. Just make sure you don't completely shut out politics; be sure to exercise your right to vote. It's about the only way the little people have left to right the sinking ship.

Good to see so many fellow wagoneers see right through this protest BS. Things need serious fixing in this country but not by neutering capitalism and demonizing success.

 

I just wonder what will happen when the spark of violence happens? I mean, right now it's peaceful and those people are getting fed by donations (even tho the waste and trash is piling up). But when the food runs out or rabble rousers start yelling "Take it back" and we see "disaffected youths" going on creative shopping sprees like what happened in London....
Will this administration take the opportunity to form that civilian national security force?

Remember back in July 20th 2008?

The kindling is in place, all that is needed is someone with a match and we will have "brown shirts" patrolling the streets.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel

 

The people in these demonstrations are nutjobs. Haters of the ones who make money. herman cain has said it right I believe , if you dont have a job, dont have money or dont earn enough dont blame the government, blame yourself.

I'm trying to figure out the message they are trying to convey and what the end result is of what they wish to accommplish. This is the summary message from their website:

Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

Obviously since it began on Wall Street it is a message that blames the financial district or whom they are percieved to represent but what is the goal. The people have been described as overwhelmingly left leaning which I agree from what I have heard but from some of the statements I have read alot of democrats and policies of this administation fall within their crosshairs (though I suspect manydon't realize this).

We have an "Occupy San Francisco " event going on along battery , New Montgomery and the various other streets in the financial district that mirrors Wall Street and I heard a rather humorous, albeit sad interview with a couple of people who plan to attend the rally that could not answer a question about who our US Senators were or even who Joe Biden is. I'm wondering how some folks that are so politically illiterate could get something out of what seems like a complicated political movement.

These people better have clearer goals in mind, otherwise this will just turn into a mindless riot , I think it would give them credibility. Right now they look like (and sound like) a bunch of hippies and/or bored college kids passing the time with an aimless protest.

Maybe this Occupy movement's goals will become clearer if Sean Penn shows up? Oh, wait, he's in Egypt right now showing solidarity over there. Guess his protest schedule is kind of booked right now?

They or most have the Mochael Moore syndrom. Michael Moore who made Bowling for Columbine and other movies despises capitolism, despite the fact Capitolism is what made him a very rich man. These protestors are highly confused.

 

Now This does bother me! I must admit that there are too many people out who would rather just sit on their asses and gripe. I know because my mother is one of them; and not mildly so, either. With me it's more of the blaming myself part. My wife and I have have little to no control over our financial situation. And I do blame my STATE government and the legislation(s) in place that affect both me and my wife that by no means aid, protect, or assist anybody. And god knows that the US government isn't exactly perfect. Capitalism is only a problem when it is perverted and twisted, which is yet one more thing that is more present than it ever should be. However, it is the system that has worked so well for us in the past and will continue to do so into the future, but the country [and the world] is so off balanced that the scale isn't just tipped it's bending and straining from the weight.

So while that quote is justifiably directed at some people, to apply it to everyone is outright cocky and insolent!