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    His only negative feedback is for a diecast toy car that was damaged in shipping.

    The wagon looks pretty nice, not perfect, but these are getting hard to find unmolested. That lack of tilt wheel is unfortunate. :/
     
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    Yeah...the steering could be changed over but it is unfortunate that it's not there already.
    As for the feedback...one negative wouldn't drop him almost 3 points to 97%. Apparently, not all of the negatives are shown. They are likely older than what is shown.
     
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    No, one negative WOULD drop him to 97%.

    They count only the last 12 months, and if you hover your mouse over the "how is Feedback percentage calculated" link, it shows you the math. Over the last 12 months, he has 35 positives and 1 negative. So his positives (35) divided by positives plus negatives (35+1) = 0.972 or 97.2%.

    So, yes, one negative can drop him from 100% to 97% when he's in the 35 total ratings range.

    Also, the table of his feedback ratings shows 38 positives, but only 35 are used in the calculation because they don't count repeat positives from the same person in the same week. It's all explained in the little bubble that pops up.
     
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    OK....to clarify....one negative out of his 579 deals wouldn't drop him to 97%.
     
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    Correct, but so what? The math isn't done that way. Your later conclusion based on this, that "not all negatives are shown," is not correct. All the negatives that count in the feedback rating ARE shown, as are all the positives that count. One negative and 35 positives leads to the 97.2% rating. There might be more negative feedbacks older than 12 months. You'd have to scroll back through all 579 of them to see.


    The REAL point in all this is that his feedback is fine. One negative in the past 12 months against 35 positives, and as the Harford Guy points out, the negative is for a minor thing--damage in shipping, which is something that is largely outside of a seller's control. His feedback should not be a reason to turn down the car.
     
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    According to eBay, then, I guess we will never know his actual feedback. And by actual...I don't mean eBay rules of math. This guy may have better or worse feedback depending on his past numbers. I would like to know each sellers total number of negatives out of his total number of deals. I believe that eBay used to do it that way.
     
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    Not true! Even though they're not included in the math, ALL of his feedback, all 579 of them, negative, neutral, and positive, IS there. You just have to take the time to scroll backwards through the list. If you were so inclined, you could go back and count up all of his negatives and calculate for yourself a feedback rating based on the 579 number.

    Just look down at the bottom of the first page of feedbacks. There's links there for page 2, page 3, etc. all the way on up to, in his case, page 25. ALL feedbacks for any ebay user are always there to look at it. It's just that ebay decided a few years ago that old feedbacks should count less or not at all relative to new feedbacks in a seller's or buyer's rating because it's more what they're like today or last month instead of what they were like 5 or 10 years ago that matters, at least in ebay's opinion. I think there's validity to this. As a buyer, I'm more interested in how a seller has performed relatively recently more than how he did years ago.

    Plus, by doing the math this way, ebay gives sellers whose rating might not have been so good a chance to "clean up their act," so to speak. Go 12 months without a negative feedback, and no matter how many negatives you had before, your rating becomes 100%.

    This helps the sellers, and that, in turn, helps ebay. So it's another reason why ebay might want to do this. But if you're suspicious at all, like I said, you can always go back and find out for yourself any seller's total number of positives and negatives.

    Then there's the matter of what we're actually talking about buying. It's not a 50-cent postcard. When it comes to cars, I don't care what a seller's rating is. It could be 100%. It could be 50%. Either way, I'm going to go look at it before I bid on it. If it's on the other side of the country, I'll find a local mechanic and pay him to go look at it. Either way, the car will get looked at independent of what the seller claims about it. If the car is good, the seller need not have perfect feedback. I'm not buying him, I'm buying the car. As long as the seller is not a proven rat, I wouldn't pass up a nice car because the seller has a less than 100% feedback rating.
     

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