1967 Ford Squire wagon restoration [Archive]

Dr B Smith

2007-12-13, 19:04 PM

I started the tear down first by removing all trim and bumpers.

Then we pulled the motor. Although it ran well, we have found some "issues" that we wanted to take a closer look at. We are hoping to only freshen up the motor and replace all the gaskets. We are planning to do the same thing with the Cruis-O-Matic trans.

The car goes to soda blasting as soon as I am done removing all the trim. I am going to detail the engine compartment before it goes to paint.

http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/35137/2906874410102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2906874410102637081tpqTYI)http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/34678/2064996370102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2064996370102637081Imtocd)

Found a friend living under the 2nd seat! He was living off of bazooka Joe!

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/33245/2955072560102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2955072560102637081oQOcLt)http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/34883/2170591170102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2170591170102637081BLLPUX)

Gutted rear passenger area. May be adding the 3rd seat option too! That is my first passenger, My youngest, Abby!

http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/33806/2697599160102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2697599160102637081IjVgPe)http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/35281/2337742950102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2337742950102637081NYWIiA)

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/34607/2018610010102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2018610010102637081LWVjGK)http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/35663/2659671030102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2659671030102637081yusgfZ)

My favorite Mechanics! Vogel Service in Plum PA. That is one heavy motor!!

http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/35094/2927440910102637081S500x500Q85.jpghttp://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/35167/2478734020102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2478734020102637081zFBQjO)

$arge

2007-12-13, 19:32 PM

wagonmaster

2007-12-13, 19:55 PM

oooh the fun begins :yippee: Good luck on the project :)

Roadking41A

2007-12-13, 19:55 PM

say um, i dunno how to tell ya, but do you know those arent the original wheels???

ahh im sorry i couldnt help it.... looking good. question, howd you pull the raingutter trim? im scared to yank mine off. im afraid ill bend it beyond repair.
Raf-
http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/34607/2018610010102637081S500x500Q85.jpg

Looking at the picture the trim is still there. I read somewhere that using a old bottle opener works id you use tape on it to protect the trim.

$arge

2007-12-13, 19:58 PM

well i saw it there too, but he said he removed trim. i was hopin it was an older pic

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-13, 20:05 PM

Roadking41A

2007-12-13, 20:13 PM

Doc It looks like it is solid all the way trough from the pictures you have taken.

Dr B Smith

2007-12-14, 00:09 AM

well i saw it there too, but he said he removed trim. i was hopin it was an older pic

I found out quickly that the gutter trim was best left to the professionals!

Any trim you still see in the pics is coming off when I stop off at the body shop before it goes to soda blasting.

I have no idea how to get that trim off without ruining it. I will pass along the bottle opener idea to the shop to see what they think.

When I had the car at the body shop to see if it was worth restoring, they really did not seem to think it was a big deal to get the trim off the gutters.

Dr B Smith

2007-12-14, 00:14 AM

Was it parked under a tree or found near a smoke stack? That looks like serious rust on the tops of the fenders.

$arge, the raingutter clips are sneaky devils. Download the Glass Shop Supplies document (PDF) and look on page 8 to 11. There's one there for a 1966-1980 Galaxie (8941), mine is the 12130.

http://www.oemhardware.ca/catalog_auto.htm

The Ford catalog is about exterior moulding clips. (Also PDF)

Hey Stormin,

The top of the car was baked in the Southern sun for for 40 years. Yep, there is rust on the roof, hood, and fenders.

The underside is so nice. I was close to parting it out until we put it up on the lift and saw all the good parts.

The parts on top as you know can be dealt with.:bouncy:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 00:28 AM

Hey Stormin,

The top of the car was baked in the Southern sun for for 40 years. Yep, there is rust on the roof, hood, and fenders.

The underside is so nice. I was close to parting it out until we put it up on the lift and saw all the good parts.

The parts on top as you know can be dealt with.:bouncy:

It sounds like you've got a good bunch of guys on the body restoration, and with the underside intact, you'll end up with a lion's pride ride! :)

Dr B Smith

2007-12-14, 09:38 AM

Was it parked under a tree or found near a smoke stack? That looks like serious rust on the tops of the fenders.

$arge, the raingutter clips are sneaky devils. Download the Glass Shop Supplies document (PDF) and look on page 8 to 11. There's one there for a 1966-1980 Galaxie (8941), mine is the 12130.

http://www.oemhardware.ca/catalog_auto.htm

The Ford catalog is about exterior moulding clips. (Also PDF)

Stormin,

That is a very informative catalog. I can't seem to locate which parts you are talking about for the raingutter clips for my car.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 09:50 AM

Stormin,

That is a very informative catalog. I can seem to locate which parts you are talking about for the raingutter clips for my car.

Henry Ford was really the inventor of the modern Industrial Revolution. Although the Needle Trade in England's 1850 piece-work methodology got the major distinction of the advent of the Industrial Revolution.

Henry was one of the first manufacturers to apply 'parts rationalization' and standardization across models, especially within the same lines or factories. So the clips from one model of a full-size are usually replaceable with another full-size bit of hardware.

GM glommed onto Henry's efficient tricks with each brand they bought up, so in Canada, Chevy, Olds, and Pontiac cars shared Engines, Trannies, exhausts, wheels - non-cosmetic stuff.

Dr B Smith

2007-12-14, 09:56 AM

Henry Ford was really the inventor of the modern Industrial Revolution. Although the Needle Trade in England's 1850 piece-work methodology got the major distinction of the advent of the Industrial Revolution.

Henry was one of the first manufacturers to apply 'parts rationalization' and standardization across models, especially within the same lines or factories. So the clips from one model of a full-size are usually replaceable with another full-size bit of hardware.

GM glommed onto Henry's efficient tricks with each brand they bought up, so in Canada, Chevy, Olds, and Pontiac cars shared Engines, Trannies, exhausts, wheels - non-cosmetic stuff.

I was looking under the wrong PDF. I found it after I re read your directions!

Thanks!

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 10:00 AM

Henry Ford was really the inventor of the modern Industrial Revolution. Although the Needle Trade in England's 1850 piece-work methodology got the major distinction of the advent of the Industrial Revolution.

Henry was one of the first manufacturers to apply 'parts rationalization' and standardization across models, especially within the same lines or factories. So the clips from one model of a full-size are usually replaceable with another full-size bit of hardware.

GM glommed onto Henry's efficient tricks with each brand they bought up, so in Canada, Chevy, Olds, and Pontiac cars shared Engines, Trannies, exhausts, wheels - non-cosmetic stuff.

My own car, built in Mexico's only Ford Assembly Plant, has a hooped headliner, a points ignition and other details that aren't built into American or Canadian built Fairmonts. They built Granadas on the Mexican line, and so mine has a headliner from the Granada wagon, sized to the Fairmont wagon.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 11:26 AM

Was it parked under a tree or found near a smoke stack? That looks like serious rust on the tops of the fenders.

$arge, the raingutter clips are sneaky devils. Download the Glass Shop Supplies document (PDF) and look on page 8 to 11. There's one there for a 1966-1980 Galaxie (8941), mine is the 12130.

http://www.oemhardware.ca/catalog_auto.htm

The Ford catalog is about exterior moulding clips. (Also PDF)

Here's another one that distributes through bodyshop supply dealers:
http://www.carpak.com/

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 11:41 AM

I was lucky with my headliner hoops, because the color codes hadn't turned to dust in 28 years of hot climate. But this article might be of some use to you:
http://www.upholster.com/auto/headliners-installation.html

http://www.autorestorer.com/articles/art121.html

and more good resto articles on the same site:
http://www.autorestorer.com/articles.html

And for the Roof rack (includes parts sources):
http://www.tek-ed.com/tek-ed/rrack.html

DON'T try to get to the guy's home page! He's a site programmer with poor Java coding. When I tried, it locked up the browser (IE7) on XP-Pro with all updates. I mean locked up - I had to CNTRL-ALT-DEL to get out and reboot!

His other pages have demos of his Website jobs and a few pages to his family's various Wagoneer Jeeps.

And if you can't find original Ford engine compartment warning labels, this place has some you can download, tweak and print - Many of these are perennial and date way back to the 60's:
http://www.shelbyparts.com/parts/labels.html

Roadking41A

2007-12-14, 17:33 PM

Stormin' I have one thing to say. :You_Rock_Emoticon:

the Rev

2007-12-14, 18:25 PM

yano...the one problem to 'starting' a project...is that ..
..at some point you have to finish!!!:rofl2:

...thats why i try not to start:rl:

cant wait to see it!!!...luv that car!!:bowdown:

Roadking41A

2007-12-14, 18:47 PM

yano...the one problem to 'starting' a project...is that ..
..at some point you have to finish!!!:rofl2:

...thats why i try not to start:rl:

cant wait to see it!!!...luv that car!!:bowdown:

Rev How many wagons do you have now?

the Rev

2007-12-14, 18:52 PM

ohhh nooo...so ya can razz me like my buddy Norm??:naughty: ..........:rofl2:
lets just say.....2.many!!:p

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-14, 19:06 PM

ohhh nooo...so ya can razz me like my buddy Norm??:naughty: ..........:rofl2:
lets just say.....2.many!!:p

I'm just trying to spin your notoriety. How many sites can brag that a few members are Fleet collectors?!

Roadking, he recently got the Pinto, and I think he said that made it 11 wagons and he's got a few other models that look like hardtops and sedans. He's the Go To Ford man. :bouncy:

Roadking41A

2007-12-14, 19:30 PM

I'm just trying to spin your notoriety. How many sites can brag that a few members are Fleet collectors?!

Roadking, he recently got the Pinto, and I think he said that made it 11 wagons and he's got a few other models that look like hardtops and sedans. He's the Go To Ford man. :bouncy:

Cool I most likely be looking for a 76 Ford LTD Country Squire wagon like I had years ago.

80cutlass

2007-12-15, 00:55 AM

say um, i dunno how to tell ya, but do you know those arent the original wheels???

ahh im sorry i couldnt help it.... looking good. question, howd you pull the raingutter trim? im scared to yank mine off. im afraid ill bend it beyond repair.
Raf-
http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/34607/2018610010102637081S500x500Q85.jpgwell i got a real thin seal spoon (aircraft tool) basically a really thin spreader and carefully pry it off little at a time,,,its really good but something thin to slide in between the gutter and the trim and slowley pry off works good :pub:

tbirdsps

2007-12-15, 10:54 AM

The 67's are my favorite! Followed closely by the 68's. I can't wait to see how this progresses.

Thanks for the photo tour....

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 11:57 AM

The 67's are my favorite! Followed closely by the 68's. I can't wait to see how this progresses.

Thanks for the photo tour....

Can you imagine it with 4 headlights on each side, like Griswold's rig? Brutal! :rofl2: :rofl2:

Dr B Smith

2007-12-15, 12:49 PM

I always enjoyed following other restorations with pics. I promise to keep posting new pics as we move along.

Update on a parts find:

I struck gold and found a mint re-chromed rear bumper for the car as well as a solid used tailgate.

My tailgate is rusted almost beyond repair. I did find a complete 3rd seat option but its just under $500 and I am not sure if I am going to get that or not. I would love to have the facing seats in the back. That is what makes the wagon!

I have decided to go with non OEM seat covers from http://www.automotiveinteriors.com/ (http://www.automotiveinteriors.com/) although I will still use the original color saddle.

I just cannot justify trying to buy the original fabric and having the covers made. They are tough to find prefab since they are not the same as the Galaxie cars.

We are going to use Saddle and I will repaint/dye the door panels and trim to their original color. I also am looking to use them to make a headliner for me too. I may go with a lighter carpet than the original dark brown.

The exterior is going to be the original Burnt Amber, with the 67 woodgrain down the sides. I am still thinking of painting the faux trim to make it look like wood. If not I will paint it off white or whatever the color was originally.

As far as those now famous wheels, they are staying on until the car is done. I have a lot of other fires to put out during this process so those my be the last thing I find.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 14:26 PM

Information Overload!!!

I ran and owned some furniture and upholstery firms, and did a couple of my cars years ago. When I got to this one, it had been like 22 years before when I'd done any of this, so I decided to start again, like I knew ZIP. Even today's modern methods are really different - Heat sealing vinyl accent moldings was just barely coming into its own. Your's probably has real chrome parts with pins to hold them onto the door panels, my 1979 has them heat embedded into the vinyl.

So forgive me if I overload you with info, but it might be of value to you and others. Here goes.

Rubber Renue (their spelling), safe on vinyl too.
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/408a.html

Other Interior vendors for Classics:
http://www.originalauto.com/

http://www.dispecialty.com/h.html

http://www.stockinteriors.com/Default.asp

Tools:
The main tool (I kick myself for having this link and not buying the darn thing, pliers just don't cut it)
http://www.upholstery-supplies-guide.com/hog-ring-pliers.html

Your carpet with likely come with the Jute layer, but the floorboards need a sound deadener, especially at the cargo area. Here's a comparison of the best brands:
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/

Here's a few vendors/Mfrs. (I used Evercoats)
http://www.b-quiet.com/ultimate.html

http://www.quietride.com/acoustishield/articles/how-to-be-cool-and-quiet-too.htm

Don't know how far you're going into detail restoration, but these might be interesting:
http://www.specialtychromedplastics.com/

http://www.cvvacuumplaters.com/

This Auzzie company restores dashes and they have a US office:
http://www.dashboardrestorations.com.au/index.htm

http://www.dashboardrestorations.com/

Good tips sites on Upholstery/Headliner issues:
http://www.carrscorner.com/yabbse/index.php

Other trim refinishing/dyeing line (I used the SEM Saddle, but I found this after)
http://colorbondtuner.com/index.html?PHPSESSID=6659087903603b6b375aa94f59a3e f63

Sem's site also has improved their products since I bought mine in this Spring - They may have a line that works better on some detail items. I used a satin clear coat on high-wear mouldings:
http://www.sem.ws/index.php

You'll like this site if only for the pictures of more classics, but they have the fabrics and vinyls:
http://www.smsautofabrics.com/

Hood Liner source and How Tos:
http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/hoodliner.htm

Tearmender (excellent and cheap), I got mine from a camping retailer:
http://www.tearmender.com/

The only caution about the SEMS vinyl dye is that it goes on in very thin coats. It flashes in seconds, so you can standby. Don't do big areas in one sweep (1 sq ft is enough). Secondly, shake well before using. If not, you'll get like a ROXOTONE mottled spray. It smells like a degreaser cleaner, and can be noxious to sensitive folks, so do it in the garage or backyard, outside of sunlight, until its dry. And you can use it on carpets, but the fibres will stiffen a bit. It comes out darker than the vinyl application areas, but it does look sharp and matches well.

On fabrics, I think another product could be used or they'll likely be 'rough' textured until they get rubbed a bit.

Also, finding D-Rings can be a real bear, unless you can find a good shop to sell you about 150 or so. They aren't expensive, just hard to find.

Dr B Smith

2007-12-15, 17:09 PM

Information Overload!!!

Also, finding D-Rings can be a real bear, unless you can find a good shop to sell you about 150 or so. They aren't expensive, just hard to find.

What are D-rings??? Do you mean hog rings?
Thanks so much for all the links, that is info overload, which is what I need.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 17:13 PM

What are D-rings??? Do you mean hog rings?
Thanks so much for all the links, that is info overload, which is what I need.

I do mean hog rings, but up here they call them D-Rings or Fencing Staples (barbed wire).

Glad to help. :)

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 19:43 PM

One more thing on the hog-rings. I said about 150, but if your adding rear rumble seats, make it 200. They can't be more than $10 to $15 dollars. I've seen them here at $5.00 per 100.

The Fence Staples come in Galvanized or not. The metallurgical problem with galvanized wire is that it loses its tensile strength. Since they'll be rubbing and scraping on steel frames, they won't last. You're better off getting some with the alodined finish or soaking untreated ones in a small bowl of Por15's Metal-Ready for 10 minutes, rinse them off in water and they're ready to use. Most bodyshop supply shops.

http://www.por15.com/prodinfo.asp?grp=MR&dept=2

I say that because a lot shops don't like selling to a DIYer. So with the alternative, that may work better.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 20:21 PM

Must not forget the Captain's Helm in a Land Yacht:

Steering wheel restoration, they're in Auzzieland, with service to us North Americans. Nice work, might have stock replacements:

http://www.pearlcraft.com.au/welcome.htm

This way, the driver isn't the Fifth Wheel, the hitch tongue is. :)

IIRC, the older Full-sized Ford Wheels had a notch on the back side of the hub to activate the trigger that disabled the signal lever/switch.

Its another trip through the hobby's online museum. Where have the artists gone in this industry? So many lost arts... :bawling:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 23:12 PM

I misplaced this in my Ford Links tree, but this will help you find original manuals, labels:

http://catalog.osborn-reproduction.com/index.php?categoryID=173

Engine Labels and Decals:
http://catalog.osborn-reproduction.com/index.php?categoryID=595

Check out the Mercury pages, because some books cover both, but aren't listed in the Ford sections.

Roadking41A

2007-12-15, 23:31 PM

You're a walking computer Stormin' and a great help.:1st:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-15, 23:40 PM

You're a walking computer Stormin' and a great help.:1st:

Thanks. It's just that he's doing an equally low-level, down to the rivets strip-down, and I know where the pot-holes are, so I figure he'll have a better shot at following through to a proud finish if he's well-armed with good pot-hole tools.

Brian, this is a 1967-1972 Pickup truck site, but they cover everything on door stripping with pics, tools, etc., Engines, Trannies, and a whole sh*twagon more. :)

There's more here on 1967 Fords, in generic info, than some of the original manuals I have from Ford, for my Fairmont.

http://www.fordification.com/technical-home.htm

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-17, 11:20 AM

Complete Wagon Carpeting for yours:
http://qualitycarinterior.com/view-by-car-ford-country-squire-wagon-carpet.html

I'm surprised to find that. Mine is carpeted in the back too, but I can't find the thinner cargo carpet. Mine's ok for now, but I'll have to eventually replace it (seat back and floor). :bawling:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-17, 11:26 AM

Stefan, this carpet/interior site has visual selection from way back (50's and up) by brand. Might be worth putting in the Site Links:

http://qualitycarinterior.com/

And another one:
http://www.autotrimsupply.com/

The funny thing here is that the cargo area carpets are handled under Ford Squire for the Fairmont/Zephyr/Cougar wagons. Whereas the Country Squire gets the full-meal deal. Go figure?

the Rev

2007-12-17, 15:30 PM

take a peek at stockinteriors.com too
;)

wagonmaster

2007-12-17, 16:59 PM

Dr B Smith

2007-12-17, 20:51 PM

Well apparently my car was "vandalized" at the shop. Check out the picture below. It must have been a fan of Chevy Chase and the movie "Vacation"!

http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/34383/2899758520102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2899758520102637081RWYvjl)

I found out it was my brother who did it and most of the customers in the shop have been rolling on the ground. I must have had 10 calls today asking me if I was lost and needed directions.

It wont be on there long since its going to get blasted soon.

I thought you guys would get a kick out of it especially "Griswold"

Griswold, I bet you are not going to make your car look like the movie car did in the scene when the hub caps and car was graffitied!
Dr B

Ok,
I'm sensing that some are not getting this. I did not post this to offend so I hope this helps:

I will explain where my brother was coming from.

In the movie Vacation, Clark Griswold falls asleep at the wheel and gets lost East St. Loius. While asking for directions, his hub caps get stolen and the Family Truckster gets sprayed painted with the words honky lips.

Stormin and tbirdsps, did you see the movie?

I took it well, and had a laugh after a while as well. There is no harm to the wagon, I promise it will be fine. :dancing:
Dr B

$arge

2007-12-17, 21:13 PM

Bwhahahahahahaa!!!

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-17, 21:15 PM

Roadking41A

2007-12-17, 21:43 PM

:bwahaharoll:

Dr B Smith

2007-12-17, 21:49 PM

My wife Jodi is not laughin since it is going to be flatbedded to my house where my entire neighborhood will see this POS getting dumped into my garage with spray painted HONKEY LIPS on the sides.

I am going to bet most wont get it!

Ya it is funny. I got a call from my brother this am telling me that he was about to send me a pic on my phone. He said it was about my car and it wasnt good. I was guessing it caught on fire.

Ya good stuff

tbirdsps

2007-12-18, 08:57 AM

I don't get it either....I'm a little slow that way.

:hotcoffee: I'll just have my coffee and move on.:)

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-18, 09:02 AM

I don't get it either....I'm a little slow that way.

:hotcoffee: I'll just have my coffee and move on.:)

His bro has a wierd sense of humor, me thinks. Project cars are among the untouchables in life. The others are for each to define. I'm gonna sip mine too. This is my finishing up week.

tbirdsps

2007-12-18, 09:05 AM

His bro has a wierd sense of humor, me thinks. Project cars are among the untouchables in life. The others are for each to define. I'm gonna sip mine too. This is my finishing up week.

I've never seen the expression before. Now a nice applique' after the new paint would be funny.....:evilsmile:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-18, 09:14 AM

I've never seen the expression before. Now a nice applique' after the new paint would be funny.....:evilsmile:

I've heard it applique'd to Ukrainians here 30 years ago. It doesn't taste any better with aging.

Maybe Brian and his brother have an ongoing mischievious, prankster thing between them. Brian takes it well. Good on him. :)

Dr B Smith

2007-12-18, 09:56 AM

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-18, 10:31 AM

Ok,
Im sensing that some are not getting this. I did not post this to offend so I hope this helps:

I will explain where my brother was coming from.

In the movie Vacation, Clark Griswold falls asleep at the wheel and gets lost East St. Loius. While asking for directions, his hub caps get stolen and the Family Truckster gets sprayed painted with the words honky lips.

Stormin and tbirdsps, did you see the movie?

I took it well, and had a laugh after a while as well. There is no harm to the wagon, I promise it will be fine. :dancing:
Dr B

Nope, haven't seen it, Brian. But the Christmas Vacation (number 3) is on Sunday on our national network - different car, according to ThatMoparGuy. I love this season's TV flicks. Restores my faith in human kindness. Sorry about my pre-judgement, if you're ok with it, who am I to comment. My car has been vandalized 3 times, before I built my huge fence, and I check every day, first thing to see if any foul-play has gone on, until I get it running and all the alarms installed.

http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/gallery/files/2/7/3/SNDec1104.jpg

tbirdsps

2007-12-18, 10:36 AM

Dr B Smith

2007-12-18, 12:38 PM

Nope, haven't seen it, Brian. But the Christmas Vacation (number 3) is on Sunday on our national network - different car, according to ThatMoparGuy. I love this season's TV flicks. Restores my faith in human kindness. Sorry about my pre-judgement, if you're ok with it, who am I to comment. My car has been vandalized 3 times, before I built my huge fence, and I check every day, first thing to see if any foul-play has gone on, until I get it running and all the alarms installed.

Stormin,
How can a wagon lovin guy like yourself go so long without seeing a classic like National Lampoons Vacation?!!! The family truckster is the main character in the movie, therefore it is a must see.

In fact, I am going to right you a prescription for you to see it at least once and call me in the morning! :yippee:

Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-18, 16:10 PM

Stormin,
How can a wagon lovin guy like yourself go so long without seeing a classic like National Lampoons Vacation?!!! The family truckster is the main character in the movie, therefore it is a must see.

In fact, I am going to right you a prescription for you to see it at least once and call me in the morning! :yippee:

Dr B

I'll go to the video shop up the street here and rent it tomorrow. Hold that bill... :evilsmile: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Dr B Smith

2007-12-18, 18:18 PM

Stormin,

Glad you have a great sense of humor! Let me know how you like the film.

Wagon Update:

I am going to try to upload the video of me rolling the car backwards down a hill to gain momentum to get it up my driveway into my garage. It almost worked but I ran out of momentum and we had to get a large tractor to push it up the driveway into my garage. I

If anyone knows how to convert a cell phone video from 3GP format to AVI or MPEG format, let me know! It is very funny to watch.

I will be uploading pics of the engine compartment, and the progress as I clean and detail it. I am still tearing out small components today.

The cruise o matic is at the transmission shop getting a good once over and new seals.

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-18, 18:26 PM

Stormin,

Glad you have a great sense of humor! Let me know how you like the film.

Wagon Update:

I am going to try to upload the video of me rolling the car backwards down a hill to gain momentum to get it up my driveway into my garage. It almost worked but I ran out of momentum and we had to get a large tractor to push it up the driveway into my garage.

You should go here and take a shot of that when you get it rolling!

Pull a fast one on your brother! :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/cool/002027-2202-e.html

http://www.gomoncton.com/EnSite/Visit/WTD_Capitol.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_Hill_(Canada)

Dr B Smith

2007-12-18, 22:49 PM

Fixed the audio!

Anyway, you can see up the hill where we are starting on my street. I rolled the car off of the flatbed without an engine or trans and very soft brakes. We tired to keep the momentum to get it into the garage but only made it up the driveway. :whew:

We had to push the car into the garage with a large Kubota tractor.

http://rides.webshots.com/video/3014440470102637081YFXBJi

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-19, 00:02 AM

Good driving. You'd be fine doing donuts in our snow! :D

tbirdsps

2007-12-19, 09:04 AM

Good driving! I noticed it only snowed on one side of the street.:rofl2:

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-19, 09:41 AM

Good driving! I noticed it only snowed on one side of the street.:rofl2:
The West side, which from PA is East of the rest of us! Talk about living on the sunny side of the street, while Buffalo, NY, most of Michigan and a good chunk of Vermont and Maine are getting a super-white Christmas! Must be some Irish luck...:)

Dr B Smith

2007-12-19, 21:41 PM

Here are the pics of the empty engine bay.

Anyone have any diagrams for the heater box and controls?
Many of my vacuum lines have been blocked or are missing.
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/36827/2603902810102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2603902810102637081XQPcTD)http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/32780/2712543920102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2712543920102637081vkNkwe)
http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/36820/2842331710102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2842331710102637081GSIKLg) http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/34377/2230481090102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2230481090102637081pSIfQo)
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/33864/2195776440102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2195776440102637081uXBKcN) http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/36855/2313693250102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2313693250102637081BNUhGg)
Next on the list:
1 power wash/degrease the engine bay.
2 Sand and prepare surfaces for new paint, Firewall (burnt amber, all else chassis black)
3 Clean/repair wire harness
4 I am going to remove rust from most of the metal parts including the fasteners and hardware. See below: :dance:

http://www.arkansaspontiacs.org/techstories/Electro.html

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-19, 21:58 PM

These are for the 1968 Full-Size Fords. Other than that, you can get them at the Library from a Chilton Manual or maybe the original Ford Shop Manuals?

http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/11/35/8f/0900823d8011358f/repairInfoPages.htm

Stormin' Norman

2007-12-19, 22:03 PM

Dr B Smith

2008-01-10, 13:38 PM

Here are some updated pics of before engine bay cleaning and after cleaning and sanding.
DEGREASED AND POWERWASHED:
http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/41628/2787830430102637081S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2787830430102637081wducrX)http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/40770/2738367540102637081S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2738367540102637081LvVWgQ)
Grinded and Sanded almost ready for paint:
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/41215/2499290890102637081S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2499290890102637081snJomw)http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/40807/2254183850102637081S425x425Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2254183850102637081KdoEWN)

Stormin' Norman

2008-01-10, 13:49 PM

WOW!! That is clean! Nothing like down to the roots resto!:1st:

Roadking41A

2008-01-10, 18:09 PM

Dr B Smith

2008-01-10, 21:44 PM

I will give you guys some of the behind the scenes updates that have occurred over the last 2 weeks.

The first setback was the transmission. I took it to a notable transmission shop to have it looked over, new seals and gaskets and to freshen it up. Apparently there was nothing fresh in there! It was all rotten. Its repairable, but it needs many parts but the most noteworthy are both drums, and servos are all shot. That is going to run me about $1200.:banghead3:

Second setback. I did not tell you guys this in the beginning but the main reason I pulled the motor was that when we had the car up on the lift, we found that the block had a JBweld patch on the side of the motor which was weeping small drips of coolant.
Once we took off the patch, we found a 4 inch small crack. We tried to have it professionally repaired, but sadly enough the cast iron just continued to spider web into multiple cracks. The block is gone and I am without a motor and not very happy.

I was at a turning point and gave it 2 days to decide whether to part the car out or continue on. I know that the engine and transmission are not big deals, but all the small issues and the big ones are adding up quite a bit. I had no idea how hard it was to find parts for these wagons.

Needless to say, It has all added up to more than I ever thought.

We decided to......

keep going!:jumping:

We figured most of the cats are out of the bag and that's what happens when you take a chance on buying a 40 year old car.

Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2008-01-10, 22:51 PM

That's precisely the lump I had in my throat when I blew my own 302 in my wagon, in my own yard, tuning it up. What now? Do I get the donor car, do I just swap motors, where to go. A million doubts and a vision and direction brewing on the backburner. I'm glad I went ahead with it.

Like I said in another thread today, the Retro Look and Feel of these machines just isn't an option. We've got history in our hands, and I think I took the right leap of faith into this deep pit of expense, and effort. Looks like the road less travelled, again. :)

Roadking41A

2008-01-10, 23:08 PM

$arge

2008-01-10, 23:09 PM

Stormin' Norman

2008-01-11, 00:37 AM

ahh man why you gotta make me feel bad norm?!? this is the debate i run into everytime i think about doing soething to the wagon...

Sorry Rafa, you know it's a tough balancing act with the stuff you've already dealt with. I lucked out with the donor parts car - it was the tipping point that pushed me into this project. Made it affordable and doable, for me. The Roller Paint job allowed me to do a decent job. :D

If I had to drop the $3,100 they wanted for a rebuilt engine AND $6,000 for paint, I would have scrapped it. But I got the interior done, a more efficient engine, and added at least 10 years of reliability to it. If I total it all up, I don't think I spent more than $1,500 in cash, and about 2,000 hours actually working on the car, and another 1,200 finding information, reading the manuals, and wire-brushing the small parts.

It's been a good exercise for me. I re-learned some old skills and gained a whole bunch more. Don't regret one single moment. Plus, I can fix almost anything on this car without paying huge service bills. :)

$arge

2008-01-11, 01:10 AM

right on,
i cant wait for warmer weather to roll mine a new color!

wagonmaster

2008-01-11, 23:15 PM

I was at a turning point and gave it 2 days to decide whether to part the car out or continue on.

I went something like this 2006 with my 8 year old Nissan 200SX. I loved the car, but things kept breaking, it was starting to rust, needed tires, brakes.
I needed reliable daily transportation so I got rid of it and leased my Mazda 3.

Some days I regret selling the car and get nostalgic when I see one on the street and wish I would have kept it.

the Rev

2008-01-12, 01:50 AM

...thats why i just get them running and then......4 sale!!!:rofl3:

Dr B Smith

2008-01-15, 09:52 AM

We we able to find a new completely rebuilt motor with the correct 67 390 block for the wagon! It has rebuilt 64 heads on it and should run very well.

I have to figure out the engine color. I have seen some 66 ford wagons have a black block with blue valve covers, and air cleaner. So I am not sure if the block for the 67 should be dark ford blue or black. I have been told by some that they thought the entire engine was dark blue in 67

I will post pics when the new motor gets to the shop.

Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2008-01-15, 11:11 AM

Dr B Smith

2008-03-15, 11:04 AM

Its been a while sine I have given you guys an update:

Thankfully, I decided to remove heater box: I think this is why the prior owner threw in the towel on it or would it be the cracked JB welded block?

Anyway, he replaced the heater core, and had to see the rust around the mating surface of the firewall. I'm not worried, It can be fixed.

Just rollin with the punches.
Thank-you sir may I have another!!!:naughty:

Removed most of the dash, and tar like carpet pad.

Found floor rust under drivers side floor. Dont worry it can be fixed..lol

Under dash, found all hvac vaccum lines blocked and hvac doors zip tied open/shut. HMMM what temp of air would you like....how about medium hot. Dont worry I'll fix it. Just need 3 new vaccum hvac motors.

Purchased correct 1967 remanufactured 390 (the original cracked motor could not be salvaged)

Completely rebuilt MX original transmission since it was rigged and needed all new drums it may have lasted another 300 miles. Cant beleive my brothers made it 500 miles from NC with this car.

Engine bay/front clip stripped ready for chassis black.

Waiting for a clear day and help getting the wagon from my garage to the shop to paint engine bay and install new motor and transmission.

From there its going to get soda blasted and then to the body shop.

New purchases:

Complete salvaged tailgate assembly. Rusty, but 75% less then the original.

Complete third seat assembly to convert the wagon to a 10 passenger. Got to have the third seat! I figured, what the heck, I am going to make it the way I would have ordered it. I will still stick to stock specs in what ever I update.

I will post some pics soon.

Yes, we are still having fun.

Stormin' Norman

2008-03-15, 11:26 AM

Did that Tar thing come out right or useable? It's your firewall sound-proofing. Also, I don't remember if your year came with the floor soundproofing but it's a good addition. My 1979 had AC, with extra insulation, factory undercoating, and that floor material. The AC doesn't work as hard, the road noise and engine noise are really cut down too.

A bit pricey ($6.00/sq ft) but there are more expensive. Paintable too.

http://www.evercoat.com/products.aspx

I got these. You can use a hair-dryer to form them into the curves and dips:
http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=50

Here's a vendor link list from one of our biggest professional bodyshop supply distributors in my city:
http://www.rondex.ca/products.html

Roadking41A

2008-03-15, 12:22 PM

Doc,Sorry to hear the wagon wasn't the way it was represented the way it was listed in the ad.

Stormin' Norman

2008-03-15, 12:49 PM

Doc,Sorry to hear the wagon wasn't the way it was represented the way it was listed in the ad.

Half the fun is detective work, RK. There's a pony in there somewhere. :)

$arge

2008-03-15, 14:37 PM

she will fly again, keep at it !

the Rev

2008-03-16, 00:35 AM

CMPRSD's is all the inspiration you need Doc!!:thumbsup:
glad to see you stuck with it...was thinkin about you the other day,,,wonderin?:thumbsup:

wagonmaster

2008-03-16, 20:08 PM

CMPRSD's is all the inspiration you need Doc!!:thumbsup:
glad to see you stuck with it...was thinkin about you the other day,,,wonderin?:thumbsup:

Yup :thumbs2:

http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/gallery/files/1/1967_ford_fairlane.jpg

Dr B Smith

2008-03-18, 15:54 PM

CMPRSD's wagon is definitely a huge inspiration. I love it! Thanks for all the votes of support and confidence. The wagon will ride again!
Dr B

tbirdsps

2008-03-18, 15:58 PM

CMPRSD's wagon is definitely a huge inspiration. I love it! Thanks for all the votes of support and confidence. The wagon will ride again!
Dr B

I'll bet CMPRSD's wagon moves out smartly with that 390! You're right that color is very nice with the woodgrain.

Stormin' Norman

2008-03-18, 16:22 PM

I'll bet CMPRSD's wagon moves out smartly with that 390! You're right that color is very nice with the woodgrain.

The man has excellent taste! :thumbs2: :rofl2:

CMPRSD

2008-03-19, 00:31 AM

I'll bet CMPRSD's wagon moves out smartly with that 390! You're right that color is very nice with the woodgrain.

Yeah, the emblems say 390. The factory belched it out with a 390-2V, but the last owner saw to put a 428 with some CJ parts and a 427 Interceptor intake and correct-spec Holley. It indeed moves out smartly. Scares the kids. ha

And a hat-tip to the nice words on the look. You will LOVE when yours is done!

Stormin' Norman

2008-03-19, 01:10 AM

Yeah, the emblems say 390. The factory belched it out with a 390-2V, but the last owner saw to put a 428 with some CJ parts and a 427 Interceptor intake and correct-spec Holley. It indeed moves out smartly. Scares the kids. ha

And a hat-tip to the nice words on the look. You will LOVE when yours is done!

It's still too cold to do much, but I look at every morning from the back window, and it barely has any evidence that all our snow ever touched it. I did a good wax job! Can't wait to get it done! :thumbsup:

Dr B Smith

2008-04-14, 22:46 PM

Finally was able to get the Squire out of my garage and over to the body shop for some final disassembly. They are removing the trim that I was unable to get off myself. Specifically the windshield and side rear windows as well as the trim along the roof drip rail. They were not hopeful they could save the chrome strip but we will see.

I am guessing it should be on its way to soda blasting within the week then we will see what we are dealing with.

I will post some more pics when I get to the shop.

the Rev

2008-04-14, 23:57 PM

Doc...go find some Oooold body guy....he'll recall how to take the trim off without buggerin it!!
as opposed to finding a "stainless" guy to fix it later:thumbs2:

Dr B Smith

2008-04-21, 21:42 PM

The wagon made its way to the body shop where they were able to successfully remove 99% of the trim, Ac evaporator, and glass. Also we found no other rust or surprises.

From there, we transported the wagon to media blast where they are going to soda blast the entire car including the underside.

After that it will be painted in epoxy primer.

We have also decided to replace the dry rotted frame/body mounts since I have a severe case of... "you might as well do this..do that while your at it!"

It appears to be going well. The last major issue will be finding how thick or thin the roof and hood metal is.

I will get some pics once its in epoxy primer.

In the meantime, I have been busy at home using my blasting cabinet cleaning various underhood parts and repainting them black. Also degreasing the remnants of the engine and misc. parts.

Dr B

$arge

2008-04-21, 22:16 PM

nice job Dr B i was wondering what happened to this one...

CMPRSD

2008-04-22, 00:18 AM

Dr B Smith

2008-04-24, 21:50 PM

Hey, you may want to check some of those parts and find out whether some should indeed be black or if they're supposed to be 'natural' or 'phosphate' or whatever. You can get some coatings from Eastwood or other vendors that will make those pieces look natural and stay that way.

Just a thought, but you'll be happier, I think, when you see some contrasts of different finishes under there. It really will set it off and make your hard work that little bit more satisfying.

It's not about going concours or anything like that, but since you're doing a whole tear-down, and you have to coat those bits you're blasting, it's the difference of one can of spray or another.

And hang in there...can't wait to see your progress!

I agree with you on the different shades and finishes under the hood. I have already purchased a bunch of paint from Eastwood.
Satin extreme chassis black
Under hood black for the pulleys and brackets
Zinc
The tri color coating to give a cad look to the brake booster
Alumablast
I have been collecting different pics of some original wagons and they all appear to have a satin finish on most under hood parts especially the inner fenders.
I have never been a fan of gloss black on everything. It just does not look correct.

Thanks for the support.

Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2008-04-24, 22:05 PM

I agree with you on the different shades and finishes under the hood. I have already purchased a bunch of paint from Eastwood.
Satin extreme chassis black
Under hood black for the pulleys and brackets
Zinc
The tri color coating to give a cad look to the brake booster
Alumablast
I have been collecting different pics of some original wagons and they all appear to have a satin finish on most under hood parts especially the inner fenders.
I have never been a fan of gloss black on everything. It just does not look correct.

Thanks for the support.

Dr B

Here's the Official Engine color detailing paint color codes:
http://www.lovefords.org/tech/Vin/paint/engine.htm

Other Paint color codes:
http://www.lovefords.org/tech/Vin/default.htm

And the source site:
http://www.lovefords.org/tech/default.htm

Stormin' Norman

2008-04-24, 22:10 PM

Oh yeah. Almost forgot. Complete article specifically about Engine Compartment detailing a Ford.

http://links.vintage-mustang.com/FAQ/engine_compartment_detailing.html

Dr B Smith

2008-05-03, 00:07 AM

We have made a lot of progress in the last few weeks. Here are some pictures of the wagon after it was picked up from Rocky Mountain Garage in New Stanton Pa. Jeff soda blasted the entire car. Including the undercarage and interior. The wagon was then painted in epoxy primer and sent on its way to Johhny Mocks Auto Body in Monroeville Pa for the next steps.

Now the fun begins.
http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/42345/2548127650102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2548127650102637081YFeulE)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/30376/2321981530102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2321981530102637081ZRAjAh)
http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/39675/2753339290102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2753339290102637081jVMOtr)
http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/41851/2947916040102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2947916040102637081fCiPiE)
http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/20451/2651767640102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2651767640102637081rATequ)

Dr B Smith

2008-05-03, 00:14 AM

By the way, the wagon will be getting all new body mounts, so yes the frame will likely come off.

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-03, 00:21 AM

Epoxy Primer, eh? How many coats? What brand? Was it baked too or air-dried?

It makes sense. A good tough finish will minimize the scrapes and knicks poking back to bare metal while you reassemble.

wagonmaster

2008-05-03, 13:06 PM

Looking good!

the Rev

2008-05-03, 13:35 PM

she's gettin close:thumbsup:

Roadking41A

2008-05-03, 23:53 PM

It looks really good

Dr B Smith

2008-05-04, 10:26 AM

Epoxy Primer, eh? How many coats? What brand? Was it baked too or air-dried?

Norm,
All great questions, but no answers from me. However, these guys are pros, so it was done right.

Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-04, 17:34 PM

Norm,
All great questions, but no answers from me. However, these guys are pros, so it was done right.

Dr B

OK, I'll dig around the WWW and a local body shop supplier. Thanks though. ;)

Dr B Smith

2008-05-07, 21:48 PM

Stopped down to Johnny Mocks Auto Body in Turtle Creek / Wilkins Township PA to check on the wagon.

Check out the custom fabrication of the lower rear quarters!
http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/37705/2724097140102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2724097140102637081mpRdEU)

Custom fab replacing rotted floor for rear spare tire.
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/40108/2751596270102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2751596270102637081LaaIxw)

Found anotherer hole to patch!
http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/43041/2018284200102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2018284200102637081YHSEyz)

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-07, 22:01 PM

This car is staying in the Family, I can tell. Wow! You don't fool around! Well done!

CMPRSD

2008-05-07, 23:05 PM

Keep the pix comin'! Love the progress.:yup:

Roadking41A

2008-05-07, 23:12 PM

That will be a great looking wagon when finished

Dr B Smith

2008-05-14, 14:46 PM

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-14, 17:02 PM

So far the consensus for the correct 1967 engine color is Duplicolor's Ford Dark Blue 1606. Ford started using this color in 1966. Does everyone agree?

There is also Old ford blue 1621, and Ford blue 1601.

Don't want to go thru all of this and paint the engine the wrong color.

PS More pics coming tonight!!

Dr B

I defer to the Rev on that. I'm sure he'll be by. He'd have the charts at work, but he's probably done enough himself to say. I just took what the Parts guy said was Ford Engine Blue. :confused:

Dr B Smith

2008-05-14, 21:14 PM

Bumper brackets and bolts before:
http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/40681/2696450370102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2696450370102637081aQChRp)
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/42069/2285430670102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2285430670102637081dtlnkO)

Bumper brackets and other under hood parts after ,electrolysis, bead blasting, and paint.
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/16857/2709154530102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2709154530102637081SXverv)
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/42542/2221198540102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2221198540102637081IiGktH)
http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/32023/2034553310102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2034553310102637081XzcNUN)

Original Bolts cleaned, blasted, painted
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/23992/2780341100102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2780341100102637081dQQBlr)
LOOK..Brand new!!
http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/11/2300273240102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2300273240102637081kSsYam)

Dr B Smith

2008-05-14, 21:19 PM

Bodywork progress.
http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/34701/2847528930102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2847528930102637081jHvUVE)
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/40857/2835428280102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2835428280102637081XxTfHp)
http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/42114/2666829520102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2666829520102637081NDVBcE)
http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/29429/2335539630102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2335539630102637081gaBINh)

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-14, 22:30 PM

Now that's surgical transformation! Perfect!

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-15, 08:58 AM

Now that you've painted the Mobile Rembrandt in Rolling Ash, you might find this site really useful for detailing the Dash or Gauges or other surface materials. :D

I showed my wife your good work, and she wanted to know if you were enroute, if we drive down to her parents in North East Mexico. She went to my car, and back to your pics 3 times! She was diplomatic, but you got the number one spot, from both of us. Impressive! I did all mine in one day, but far less than 94 pieces. I think it was 28 or so. Anyway this is not an Automotive site. Its a model, miniature, all materials, non-artistic, but sort of artsy-fartsy site - the kind that inspires other methods.

http://www.paintingclinic.com/MainClinic.dwt.htm

the Rev

2008-05-16, 15:23 PM

there are sooooo many variables on the engine colour...when where who?
kinda thang...but it should be the 1606...at least close enuff;)

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-16, 15:28 PM

there are sooooo many variables on the engine colour...when where who?
kinda thang...but it should be the 1606...at least close enuff;)

I knew you'd know! :)

Dr B Smith

2008-05-22, 10:03 AM

Valve covers before
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/41439/2421338280102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2421338280102637081XArHyP)

Valve covers blasted, and primed
http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/42349/2745855500102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2745855500102637081eXmVlx)

Painted Ford Dark Blue Plasticote 1606
http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/42145/2157929630102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2157929630102637081kRXNHK)

$arge

2008-05-22, 10:45 AM

im so jealous, good job!

Stormin' Norman

2008-05-22, 11:01 AM

I had a new 1968 Mercury Parklane Brougham with a 429 and that final color is what the valve covers looked like! Right on the button.

Roadking41A

2008-05-22, 13:38 PM

looks Great

wagonmaster

2008-05-22, 21:40 PM

That blue is nice

Dr B Smith

2008-06-03, 16:27 PM

Headlight buckets before:
http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/40882/2195959410102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2195959410102637081VSQcbN)http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/29226/2428766320102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2428766320102637081EAhxaT)

Headlight buckets after: :)
http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/5078/2366524580102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2366524580102637081FvMZwC)http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/10222/2609145020102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2609145020102637081CpzziM)

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-03, 17:38 PM

Boy, you should go into the NOS business! That looks great! ;)

wagonmaster

2008-06-03, 20:53 PM

Slowly but surely!

Dr B Smith

2008-06-19, 10:32 AM

Body ready for first primer coat.
http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/9021/2083053260102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2083053260102637081hbRUJL)
http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/894/2429414510102637081S500x500Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/6098/2689829960102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2689829960102637081SrKTvf)
Doors with first coat of primer. Block sanding then more primer:
http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/41565/2799755450102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2799755450102637081CnIUxY)
http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/40076/2461515730102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2461515730102637081JulrXK)

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-19, 11:07 AM

Coming along nicely. Thanks for the pics.

Roadking41A

2008-06-19, 19:44 PM

Doc that wagon is going to look so good it's unreal.

Dr B Smith

2008-06-19, 20:54 PM

1967 Ford Cruise-O-Matic MX transmission rebuilt by Tim's Transmission Penn Hills, Pa. Detailed and repainted by yours truly! :dance:
http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/15216/2864536550102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2864536550102637081qnKDOO)
http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/16078/2035239540102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2035239540102637081cTOurV)

Restored 1967 (only year like this) Front turn signals
http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/20595/2672522300102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2672522300102637081XwkWHE)
http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/43095/2427511620102637081S500x500Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2427511620102637081ENlMqU)

Roadking41A

2008-06-19, 21:28 PM

Doc you are doing amazing work.

$arge

2008-06-20, 03:13 AM

cubic dollars!!!

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-20, 10:43 AM

cubic dollars!!!

Te parece??? :biglaugh:

He's passionate and meticulous, and he can. The thing I like is it's his start at the new Jay Leno Garage on the other coast. It'll be a keeper. Good for us.

I'd do that, if I had the bucks. Shop out what I can to the experts, and focus on what I can. Instead, I got lucky and started with a rust free car and a newly rebuilt power train.

Chance happeneth to them all... (somewhere in Proverbs.)

Dr B Smith

2008-06-20, 14:36 PM

cubic dollars!!!

Really not as many "Cubic Dollars" as you may think. I am doing the lions share of work myself. All of the detail work is above what I figured I would be doing on this car, but since its all apart, I cant help but fix what I see. I have restored motorcycles for years and this is my first car. The body work and body paint is the majority of what I did not have the ability to do.

Roadking41A

2008-06-20, 14:38 PM

Doc what paints did you use?

Dr B Smith

2008-06-20, 14:40 PM

Te parece??? :biglaugh:

He's passionate and meticulous, and he can. The thing I like is it's his start at the new Jay Leno Garage on the other coast. It'll be a keeper. Good for us.

I'd do that, if I had the bucks. Shop out what I can to the experts, and focus on what I can. Instead, I got lucky and started with a rust free car and a newly rebuilt power train.

Chance happeneth to them all... (somewhere in Proverbs.)

Norman,
Thanks for all the compliments!!

Just curious, I Lost you in your last post..what are you talking about with Jay Lenos garage...and what does Ta Parece refer to?

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-20, 14:56 PM

Norman,
Thanks for all the compliments!!

Just curious, I Lost you in your last post..what are you talking about with Jay Lenos garage...and what does Ta Parece refer to?

Te parece? referred to the cubic dollars. No restoration of any depth is without some major cash layout. I saved about $8,000 doing my own woodgrain, woodgraining on my mouldings and my Roller Paint job, AT LEAST. What you've shopped out is likely in that range or a couple long ones more. I didn't do any sand blasting, for instance.

$arge was astounded at what it appeared to cost to get it done by pros. My comment was asked him if that appeared to be a lot of dollars out of pocket. Some tasks are really hard to do without the investment in space (my problem without a garage) or specialized tools and equipment.

Once you're done that one in concours condition, you could do like our other Ford Fleet maestro, the Rev, and add to this gem, as far as my Jay Leno remark.

I do commend you on the level of detail that you bring to this massive project, and I'm glad to see that you put your own skills and talent to it. That's how I am with the hobby and I celebrate that with any, like yourself, who invest themselves in doing the best they can, at whatever level of skillsets they might have.

Hence my constant watch to see how yours is coming along, and if there's any way I can help advance it.

Some folks come for a quick sale of whatever they think us wagon masters might want. Some come for a quick solution to an immediate issue. The real hobbyists are the ones that get deserved attention and support. I support your project sincerely. Its well done, and from what you started with, amazing.

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-20, 15:35 PM

Te parece? referred to the cubic dollars. No restoration of any depth is without some major cash layout. I saved about $8,000 doing my own woodgrain, woodgraining on my mouldings and my Roller Paint job, AT LEAST. What you've shopped out is likely in that range or a couple long ones more. I didn't do any sand blasting, for instance.

$arge was astounded at what it appeared to cost to get it done by pros. My comment was asked him if that appeared to be a lot of dollars out of pocket. Some tasks are really hard to do without the investment in space (my problem without a garage) or specialized tools and equipment.

Once you're done that one in concours condition, you could do like our other Ford Fleet maestro, the Rev, and add to this gem, as far as my Jay Leno remark.

I do commend you on the level of detail that you bring to this massive project, and I'm glad to see that you put your own skills and talent to it. That's how I am with the hobby and I celebrate that with any, like yourself, who invest themselves in doing the best they can, at whatever level of skillsets they might have.

Hence my constant watch to see how yours is coming along, and if there's any way I can help advance it.

Some folks come for a quick sale of whatever they think us wagon masters might want. Some come for a quick solution to an immediate issue. The real hobbyists are the ones that get deserved attention and support. I support your project sincerely. Its well done, and from what you started with, amazing.

Are you fine with that or is there something unclear?

$arge

2008-06-20, 15:48 PM

what color are you going to repaint it as? i dont really know what color was when it was original?

Dr B Smith

2008-06-20, 17:23 PM

Doc what paints did you use?
Transmission
Eastwoods Alumi Blast on the aluminum, and spray gray on the cast iron transmission main case

Dr B Smith

2008-06-20, 17:48 PM

Are you fine with that or is there something unclear?

I appreciate your comments. Its all good.

I had no idea this project would go this far. One thing has lead to another. I have a hard time just leaving something go that I know I can fix. For example, I tore apart the alternator since it looked like crap even though it worked well. It looks brand new now and still works great. (saved $285 by cleaning and repainting)!!!

Dr B Smith

2008-06-20, 17:51 PM

what color are you going to repaint it as? i dont really know what color was when it was original?

It was origninally Burnt Amber (looks like a bronze or copper color). It is the same color as CMPRSD's (Hal's) awsome farline squire pictured in micks woodgrain section which is seen below.
Right now I am planning on going original since the cars interior is saddle and It is a unique color.
http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=391&d=1203572932

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-20, 18:31 PM

Stefan we need another Virtual Award, best tint of browns!

That is one fine looking colour. HandyAndy's new Mabel Fairmont (he named it) is within that range, mine is in there too, but no metallics. Good choice. :D

Ok on the other. Done.

Roadking41A

2008-06-20, 18:40 PM

I can see that color will fit very well.

Roadking41A

2008-06-20, 18:55 PM

What color did you paint the park light?

the Rev

2008-06-21, 01:29 AM

Doc Smith...when your done I got a few that could use your touch!!:rofl2:

I'll even put you up in a fleabag motel!!!;)........no.....cmon....pleeez?!?!?

:rofl2:

nice stuff Mr Smith

Dr B Smith

2008-06-21, 09:37 AM

What color did you paint the park light?

I used Rustoleum Professional Stainless Steel Color 7519838

It is the best match for stainless I have come across and it looks great.
You can buy it at Lowes
Dr B

Stormin' Norman

2008-06-21, 12:49 PM

I used Rustoleum Professional Stainless Steel Color 7519838

It is the best match for stainless I have come across and it looks great.
You can buy it at Lowes
Dr B

It does look mint! I did the insides of my plastic lense cases with Krylox Chrome to get the reflective quality back to snuff. It sticks better on plastic, after you use a plastic cleaner. Found out the hard way.

Dr B Smith

2008-07-21, 15:41 PM

Stopped down to look at the final paint sample and shot some pics of the final primer before painting begins.

http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/40328/2123459330102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2123459330102637081zZBBFP)
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/40634/2300039160102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2300039160102637081Ijdjcd)
http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/23402/2725965500102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2725965500102637081dBYQzC)

Tailgate
http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/13337/2006639040102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2006639040102637081vcSpRy)

My wife saying, Where is my car??
http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/40176/2842147850102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2842147850102637081dTNFJT)

Roadking41A

2008-07-21, 17:59 PM

Looking good when is paint day?

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-21, 18:51 PM

Day and Night from when you got it, eh? Looking very promising. :D:thumbsup:

Dr B Smith

2008-07-25, 14:10 PM

Ready for cut-in painting
http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/43581/2506313220102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2506313220102637081fQyeTx)
http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/42272/2005133300102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2005133300102637081bvOvvs)
http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42411/2492746720102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2492746720102637081JQHIrR)

Burnt Amber code V paint sample
http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/12773/2371275610102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2371275610102637081Fpfjlb)

Roadking41A

2008-07-25, 14:12 PM

Doc that is going to be beautiful.

CMPRSD

2008-07-25, 14:27 PM

Looking great, Doc. More pix, more pix...:2_thumbs_up_-_anima

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-25, 14:34 PM

Love that colour! Real nice!:thumbsup:

Dr B Smith

2008-07-25, 17:08 PM

More pix coming monday after paint.

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-25, 17:44 PM

More pix coming monday after paint.

I'm gonna pickup a rubber drool cover for my keyboard! :D

Roadking41A

2008-07-25, 17:46 PM

I'm gonna pickup a rubber drool cover for my keyboard! :D

Rubber nothing....I'm getting a clear raincoat for the keyboard and monitor

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-25, 17:52 PM

Rubber nothing....I'm getting a clear raincoat for the keyboard and monitor

Yeah, there's no medical cure for drooling except a big, monstrous bib! :yahoo: :D

Roadking41A

2008-07-25, 17:55 PM

Yeah, there's no medical cure for drooling except a big, monstrous bib! :yahoo: :D

You ain't just whistling Dixie:biglaugh:

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-25, 23:13 PM

You ain't just whistling Dixie:biglaugh:

Man, we're like a pair of moving potholes! I was just thinking about how folks don't hit my threads about the Resto, other than you and I :rofl:, and here we are in Brian's, shooting the puck all over the place. Sorry Doc, we're really keen on seeing your good work and gem come together. I'll go and raid my own threads again! :evilsmile: Come on RK, lets go and come back when he's got us frothing at the bit! :D

Dr B Smith

2008-07-28, 13:58 PM

Painting started!!
http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/43342/2954346300102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2954346300102637081mDVEII)
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/11512/2525797560102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2525797560102637081nqgGgl)
http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/13129/2502733950102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2502733950102637081VkhvRu)
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/42450/2231958590102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2231958590102637081ZWUOxP)
http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/5261/2830412750102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2830412750102637081suyJwK)

tbirdsps

2008-07-28, 13:59 PM

Fantastic color.:bouncy:

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-28, 14:05 PM

Too bad I couldn't get Metallic Rust Paint! That is gorgeous! :bouncy: :bowdown:

Roadking41A

2008-07-28, 14:26 PM

Beautiful Just Beautiful. Dang I forgot the clear plastic raincoat for my computer.

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-28, 14:32 PM

Beautiful Just Beautiful. Dang I forgot the clear plastic raincoat for my computer.

Me too! But I got my bib on! :rofl2:

Roadking41A

2008-07-28, 14:33 PM

Me too! But I got my bib on! :rofl2:

Dang show off. :rofl2:

the Rev

2008-07-28, 14:54 PM

i luv the smell of wet paint in tha morning!!:yup:

theres absolutely...nothing better than the 'wet' look of brand new paint!!
I'm jealous Doc:p

Dr B Smith

2008-07-28, 14:56 PM

Thanks for all the props guys. You have made this restoration more fun. After shooting the pictures, I just cant wait to post them for you to see. I snuck down at lunch and was late getting to see patients, but I still got the pics up for you!! I should have more either tomorrow or Wed.

Dr B

Roadking41A

2008-07-28, 15:09 PM

wagonmaster

2008-07-28, 17:11 PM

That looks sharp!

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-28, 17:42 PM

That looks sharp!

You mean the Doc's car, not RK drooling, right! Homer is the new icon! To think a Canadian is one of the head writers too. ;)

wagonmaster

2008-07-28, 18:14 PM

You mean the Doc's car, not RK drooling, right! Homer is the new icon! To think a Canadian is one of the head writers too. ;)

hehee :lolup: Doc's car of course!

Stormin' Norman

2008-07-29, 09:29 AM

Hey Doc, did the patient survive? :biglaugh:

I wanted to plug that in yesterday, but I had other priorities - like beating the thunderstorm to get my interior finished. :)

Super job on your wagon. :thumbs2:

CMPRSD

2008-07-29, 11:51 AM

Holy smokes, y'all. That's looking splendid. Can't wait to see more.

Homestar62

2008-07-29, 23:13 PM

So is that what progress on a restoration looks like? I guess I haven't been making any.:49:
Keep up the work it's looking fine.

Roadking41A

2008-07-29, 23:16 PM

So is that what progress on a restoration looks like? I guess I haven't been making any.:49:
Keep up the work it's looking fine.

Yeah Doc B is doing a total restoration on that wagon. Stormin' Norman is also doing one himself it's called Car Running CountDown a lot of good reading in there along with tips. here is the link

http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1267

Dr B Smith

2008-08-01, 12:47 PM

1967 Ford 390 rebuilt motor
Got lucky..found a 1967 correct 390 block!!
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/35016/2313579240102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2313579240102637081LMEWCz)
http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/42963/2287822680102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2287822680102637081huHRGs)

Gotta love those old FE heads and rockers! Note they are higher flowing 64 heads and we put in a bigger cam!
http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/43919/2829101210102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2829101210102637081TmikJp)
http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43316/2783933440102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2783933440102637081pRWjkH)

Stormin' Norman

2008-08-01, 12:56 PM

Sheesh! Those pushrods are long! :whew: Pristine build-up, very professional work.

CMPRSD

2008-08-01, 13:23 PM

What are you doing for induction, based on those heads? This is getting real interesting...

--Hal

Dr B Smith

2008-08-01, 14:16 PM

Hal,

We are really not doing much other than stock. I just went up slightly with the cam...mild...and the heads..well that is the way the shop builds the 390 for the passenger car. We should be around 300 hp..but i decided for multiple reasons to stick with the original intake and 2bbl carb..it was not an easy decision. Should have excellent throttle response.

Brian

HandyAndy

2008-08-01, 14:32 PM

Get a 4bbl!
My dad had a 390 in a '68 LTD Brougham, and man it was hot! And it still got great mileage too, over 25 on the highway.
And electronic ignition too, I hope. DS2!

Dr B Smith

2008-08-01, 16:18 PM

Get a 4bbl!
My dad had a 390 in a '68 LTD Brougham, and man it was hot! And it still got great mileage too, over 25 on the highway.
And electronic ignition too, I hope. DS2!
Thanks for the suggestion but this is going to be a light driver for my wife. It will have plenty of power.
What I do need is the original air intake for it if anyone has a 66-67 let me know.

Roadking41A

2008-08-01, 17:56 PM

Thanks for the suggestion but this is going to be a light driver for my wife. It will have plenty of power.
What I do need is the original air intake for it if anyone has a 66-67 let me know.

Finding a numbers matching factory intake might be near impossible? But a Edelbrock flows a little better than factory if you just get the basic intake.

Dr B Smith

2008-08-01, 21:51 PM

When I said I needed the air intake I meant the entire air cleaner assembly. The lid, snorkle and bottom. I will find one.
I am keeping the original 2 barrel intake and carb.
Brian

Dr B Smith

2008-08-05, 21:54 PM

Intake and valve covers mounted
http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/18332/2376678910102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2376678910102637081zGYSKw)
http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/42027/2115718360102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2115718360102637081pQfbPV)
http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/41035/2908526720102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2908526720102637081XpDiWW)

Stormin' Norman

2008-08-05, 23:26 PM

Charleton Heston movies used to have Musical Intermissions, and you give us great Mechanical Intermissions. Can't wait for the next part. Very nice. Stock colors too, of course. :)

CMPRSD

2008-08-05, 23:38 PM

Dr B Smith

2008-08-06, 09:02 AM

Looking real good. :bowdown: Makes me want to yank the motor in mine for detailing of it and the entire compartment.

When are you painting the block, chain cover, water pump, etc? I'm reasonably sure they were painted as a unit.

Any new body pix? Door jambs are nice, but I want to see some panels properly adorned.

Good point. We will be painting the entire engine once its assembled. I think the block was black in 66 and earlier. Blocks in 67 were all ford blue. The timing cover has already been painted. I wanted the intake and valve covers painted first so I could make them look nice. I have been told that certain bolts were not painted..it either the intake bolts or the valve cover bolts. I should have some pics of the panels soon.

tbirdsps

2008-08-06, 09:14 AM

Good point. We will be painting the entire engine once its assembled. I think the block was black in 66 and earlier. Blocks in 67 were all ford blue. The timing cover has already been painted. I wanted the intake and valve covers painted first so I could make them look nice. I have been told that certain bolts were not painted..it either the intake bolts or the valve cover bolts. I should have some pics of the panels soon.
It looks like you went with a double roller timing chain. Good choice for longevity. Ford chains seemed to get loose after 80,000 miles or so on the big V8s. I think they are called FE engines, right?

Dr B Smith

2008-08-06, 09:23 AM

It looks like you went with a double roller timing chain. Good choice for longevity. Ford chains seemed to get loose after 80,000 miles or so on the big V8s. I think they are called FE engines, right?
Yes there are a few upgrades on the motor for longevity. This engine is a FE. The 352, and 390 are the same block with different strokes. It is the heaviest motor I have ever worked on.

Dr B Smith

2008-08-06, 19:21 PM

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/41818/2769733690102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2769733690102637081EBRNji)
http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/17280/2868645260102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2868645260102637081MHhEOy)
http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/20981/2770307030102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2770307030102637081YCCmwN)
http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/43045/2141387950102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2141387950102637081FqQchU)
http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/6272/2898021770102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2898021770102637081AhXWWu)

Roadking41A

2008-08-06, 19:31 PM

wagonmaster

2008-08-06, 20:05 PM

Awesome pics Doc!

Stormin' Norman

2008-08-06, 20:33 PM

And that's without buffing or polishing! Wow!

the Rev

2008-08-08, 00:27 AM

................................:49:.............. .......................:clap:

me luva you long time:thumbs2:

Roadking41A

2008-08-08, 00:30 AM

................................:49:.............. .......................:clap:

me luva you long time:thumbs2:

That is so wrong......:biglaugh:

CMPRSD

2008-08-11, 00:05 AM

Good gawd, y'all! Pix are outstanding. :bowdown:

the Rev

2008-08-11, 02:05 AM

CMP??....yur aliiive??:bouncy:

I was wondering where you went:tiphat:

schanzml

2008-08-11, 20:46 PM

Dr B Smith

2008-08-11, 21:44 PM

Dr. Smith,

Nice work on the wagon and best of luck as you progress through the project. I'm a new to this forum but I do have a bit of experience with Ford/Mercury’s so I thought I jump in.

I've rebuilt a '68 390GT motor for a Mustang I had some years ago and there are a couple of things from that rebuild I thought you might be interested in.

First, the oil pan gasket. The gasket kit for this motor might have come with a "newer" rubber pan gasket. I'd suggest not using this gasket. This gasket very easily pinches out between the pan gasket bolts. I unfortunately experienced seepage on my rebuild. It's a fairly easy mistake to over torque these bolts which cause the gasket to bulge. Even going with the minimum torque for these bolts the gasket gets oily and bulges. With this motor I'd suggest using something like a Permatex liquid gasket; where you form the gasket yourself or an old-fashion cork gasket from fel-pro along with a gasket contact solution. I had good luck with the Permatex product.

Another thing on the pan, I would use a rubber saddle gasket that contacts the crank, making sure it's well lubricated prior to initially firing up the engine. This gasket can be easily damaged by dry contact with the crank.

When I rebuilt the 390GT I was able to find some heads off of a 428 Cougar. In an attempt to save money at the time I had the value guides "reconditioned". This turned out to be unwise. Hopefully your heads had new guides put in as part of the rebuild. Worn guides will lead to oil seepage into the cylinder causing smoke at start up.

Last, when I originally rebuilt this engine I was living back in Kansas City. It gets cold there and this engine can be a bit cranky to start when it is cold. For a couple of years I constantly adjusted the point’s gap trying to improve the cold start and idle with this engine along with adjusting the choke. Someone suggested electronic ignition, I have to say that this is a pretty good suggestion; especially if your wife will be driving it. I went from cranking and messing around with this at start up to one turn start up with the electronic unit. Ford unlike Chevy doesn't have an "adjustment window" on their distributors, making adjusting the points an irritating and very inexact science. As such the electronic ignition will make your life so much easier.

I said that was last thing but I'm curious about the transmission rebuild. The FMX / Merc-o-matic was kind of a medium duty transmission. Did you consider just getting a rebuilt C6?

Hope this didn't come off wrong I was just trying to pass on a couple of things I ran into. I hope to soon start my own thread like yours. I'll be restoring a '66 Mercury Colony Park.

Best of luck and look forward to more pictures and progress with your Ford.

Regards,
Martin

Hey Martin,

Thanks so much for the tips. They are always much appreciated.

We used a cork gasket on the oil pan. We also decided to go with the permatex make a gasket for the front and rear main seals.

Surprisingly, the car already had electronic ignition installed!

Heads have been completely rebuilt including guides and seals. If it blows smoke, I will not be happy!

As far as the trans, we decided to do a complete rebuild on the original trans to keep it with the car. Also, we did not want to chase down shift linkage to fit the wagon to a C6. The actual original trans is a MX which is more than enough duty for my wife to drive.

Adrian clements from the galaxie club has figured out the following transmissions are in increasing duty as follows:
C4: V-code 240-1V
> some C-code 289-2V
> FX: some C-code 289-2V
> MX: C-code 289-2V (Police)
> some H-code 390-2V
> C6: some H-code 390-2V
> Z-code 390-4V
> Q-code 428-4V
> P-code 428-4V
> XPL Special: H-code 390-2V with Trailer Towing Package
> Z-code 390-4V with Trailer Towing Package
> Q-code 428-4V with Trailer Towing Package
>> Therefore, it is safe to conclude that the XPL Special was stronger than the
> C6, which was stronger than the MX, which was stronger than the FX, which
> was stronger than the C4.

Thanks again, its good to know that you have already been thru a 390 motor, which is very foreign to me since we have always worked on GM engines.

Dr B

Dr B Smith

2008-09-07, 17:12 PM

New floor 3rd row foot well.

We could not find a new floor, so we made a new one!
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/41656/2271210100102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2271210100102637081NNGkaq)

Engine bay painted in satin black.
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/43071/2999118800102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2999118800102637081kLErKZ)

Sorry for the lack of updates but there were delays from some of the vendors who we are buying parts from.

The car should come out of the shop in the next week or two and then we will be putting the engine and transmission back in. After that it is going to my shop and we will start with assembly. "Some assembly required!!!"

Stormin' Norman

2008-09-07, 18:01 PM

Some assembly required... And then some! Well done with that third row. Did you put any stress 'ribs' on the underside to keep it from flexing? Or use extra thick sheetmetal?

the Rev

2008-09-08, 00:56 AM

Dr B...in the words of Eric VonZipper...
....'you are my ideel'...............:thumbsup:

cant wait to see her in her full splendor:D

90ltdwagon

2008-09-08, 22:14 PM

Wow, great reading, what a car, can't wait to see it when it's done

schanzml

2008-09-09, 18:52 PM

Dr B Smith

2008-09-09, 19:07 PM

Dr. Smith,

I was wondering where (or if) you've purchased new rubber seals/feet for your roof rack? For that matter do you have window seals, door gaskets, etc? I've been looking around but have not had any success in finding these items for my '66 Colony Park.

Thanks.
Martin

Martin,

Great question about the rubber feet. I would buy new ones but there are none to buy as I have found with many parts for this wagon. The best Idea I have found was to buy rubber floor mats and make them for the four feet. Also, I plan to use the idea below for the center runners.
http://www.rickwrench.com/index79master.htm?http://www.rickwrench.com/rackpads.html

As far as the door seals, fuzzies and window channels, I used restoration specialties in Windber PA. Here is their link and ask for Dave and tell them I sent you.
http://www.restorationspecialties.com./products.htm

As far as any window gaskets..seals for the rear side windows, we had no choice but to re-use the old ones. Chalk that one up to NLA.

Homestar62

2008-09-10, 08:18 AM

I don't have anything to add to this thread but it's been a few weeks since my last post and wanted to chime in. I'm looking forward to see it when it is done.I like that color! :) L8ters

Dr B Smith

2008-09-16, 15:34 PM

I Pulled the wagon out from the body shop today. From here its going to the mechanics shop to have the AC/heater box, engine, and trans put in. Then we will finish putting her together.
Here are some new pics from today.
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/14235/2538003340102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2538003340102637081wsoplM)
http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/42001/2327858530102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2327858530102637081HRWcPv)
http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/41199/2598720450102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2598720450102637081hsWqpS)
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/42023/2241220550102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2241220550102637081QLkBVL)
http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/43927/2500454390102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2500454390102637081hdQBmd)
http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/17820/2367806010102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2367806010102637081oWDoLi)

Stormin' Norman

2008-09-16, 16:43 PM

Getting itchy to drive it? Looks really fine. :thumbsup:

the Rev

2008-09-16, 17:13 PM

maybe we'll start calling you ...DR Feelgood:yup:

tbirdsps

2008-09-16, 17:38 PM

It looks like a NEW unassembled car. :thumbs2:

Homestar62

2008-09-16, 20:23 PM

Great pics.... I say..particularly nice weather! .. Thx for sharing!:clap:

gpd294

2008-09-16, 21:03 PM

Car looks great! I just hope my resto comes along just as nice. Keep up the good work. :2_thumbs_up_-_anima

kimb82

2008-09-17, 20:28 PM

Just Beautiful, I love to see some of the steps and hurdles it takes to have a finished product. Keep up the good work, and can't wait to see it finished

CMPRSD

2008-10-03, 17:35 PM

schanzml

2008-10-15, 14:09 PM

Brian,

I can see from the pictures that your Ford has holes drilled for some type of mounting plug for the fiberglass wood trim pieces. Have you been able to find new/reproduction rubber mounting plugs? I would think that the system on your Ford would be the same as my '66 Mercury. I have the wood trim off and there are these rubber plugs that contains a 5/16" nut that's actually inside the rubber plug. I unfortunately know the size of the nut as a couple of the screws that hold the wood trim pieces started "spinning" inside the rubber piece. I don't know if you encountered this same, extremely frustrating situation? Eventually the only way to remove the trim piece was to destroy the mounting plug. Does any of this ring a bell? If so, have you found any of these plugs or figured out a suitable alternative?

Thanks.
Martin

Stormin' Norman

2008-10-19, 10:09 AM

Seems my subscription to this thread got dropped, :banghead3: since I stopped receiving e-mail messages regarding responses.

But WOW WOW WOW! Looking so, so good. :jumping:

Stay after it, and don't waste time with anything else (except taking MORE pix). heh

Your post on Friday, October 17 had a link to some parts that the Doc may not have seen, so here's your post again, after the forum's server Crash.

When I bought my car, the trim was off it in pieces. All the hardware was bagged up, so I don't know about problems with removal.

You may know that AMK Fasteners has the rubber plugs as well as the screws with the tabs for the stainless covers, which they sell, too.

They're pricey, particularly if you were looking to replace all of them. You may find them from vendors for less than AMK's pricing, too. Go here to get the catalog in pdf:

amkproducts.com

--Hal

Dr B Smith

2008-10-28, 18:01 PM

Just got the entire HVAC system back from classic auto air. It all looks brand new. I will be posting pictures of the new AC/Heater boxes when I get a chance. These are the parts we have been waiting for. Now we can get some work done! The engine and transmission are going in after we install the AC box.

I was able to pick up a mint seat set (all three rows) out of a 68 Country Sedan. Although it is slightly different patterns and the wrong color, we are going to redye the seats the correct Saddle color. It was easier and cheaper to get this mint interior and change the color than it was to have the original interior recovered. I will have a 3rd row seat assembly for sale soon since I know hove two sets.

Dr B

wagonfreak

2008-10-30, 07:14 AM

Respect from overseas, great job you do:thumbsup:

Dr B Smith

2008-10-30, 22:06 PM

Plenum before:
http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/37687/2873723670102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2873723670102637081EGgfVh)
http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/44299/2552948640102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2552948640102637081lwDOVe)
Rebuilt evaporator plenum

http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/41790/2343858640102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2343858640102637081kaXcpS)
http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/43174/2027502840102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2027502840102637081mnrbIP)
http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/42572/2814964710102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2814964710102637081KNkaIL)

Rebuilt Ford aluminum compressor
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/40597/2771305610102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2771305610102637081lblKxX)
http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/40760/2600403670102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2600403670102637081qGixIP)

Roadking41A

2008-10-30, 23:14 PM

Doc it looks great. A new wagon when you finish:thumbs2:

the Rev

2008-10-31, 00:55 AM

i hate you....but i luv you....im torn...:rofl2:

CMPRSD

2008-10-31, 09:51 AM

Running out of words for this one. :2_thumbs_up_-_anima

Dr B Smith

2008-10-31, 12:04 PM

Running out of words for this one. :2_thumbs_up_-_anima

I am very nervous about putting this wagon together. We have already lost the tank strap/support. I am having difficulty locating another one.

Another problem is that most of the car looks so new it is making parts that I planned to re-use look very bad!

DrB

Stormin' Norman

2008-10-31, 13:49 PM

I am very nervous about putting this wagon together. We have already lost the tank strap/support. I am having difficulty locating another one.

Another problem is that most of the car looks so new it is making parts that I planned to re-use look very bad!

DrB

This might help with the tank strap:

http://www.quantaproducts.com/home.asp

or this:
http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm

As for refinishing the older parts, you might think about that baked-on paint (can't recall the name right now) but it self-levels and hides the pock marks from pitting and grinding marks, and you can do it in an oven. Pick up an old stove at the Sally-Ann store?

CMPRSD

2008-10-31, 13:54 PM

I am very nervous about putting this wagon together. We have already lost the tank strap/support. I am having difficulty locating another one.

Another problem is that most of the car looks so new it is making parts that I planned to re-use look very bad!

DrB

Ain't that the truth! Where do you stop? It's hard to draw a line. "Well, if I just take a few minutes (read hours) cleaning this up before I install it...":slap:

the Rev

2008-11-01, 19:21 PM

Ain't that the truth! Where do you stop? It's hard to draw a line. "Well, if I just take a few minutes (read hours) cleaning this up before I install it...":slap:

:biglaugh::biglaugh:thats why only 1 of my cars is actually finished!!
too much like work:rl:

chin up ol boy...the 1st day you drive it....none of this will matter:thumbs2:

gpd294

2008-11-05, 22:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr B Smith http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/images_pb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.stationwagonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21556#post21556)
I am very nervous about putting this wagon together. We have already lost the tank strap/support. I am having difficulty locating another one.

Another problem is that most of the car looks so new it is making parts that I planned to re-use look very bad!

DrB

This might help with the tank strap:

http://www.quantaproducts.com/home.asp (http://www.quantaproducts.com/home.asp)

or this:
http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm (http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm)

As for refinishing the older parts, you might think about that baked-on paint (can't recall the name right now) but it self-levels and hides the pock marks from pitting and grinding marks, and you can do it in an oven. Pick up an old stove at the Sally-Ann store?

I may be mistaken, but I think Norm means powder coating, which from what I have read and seen works and looks great and is very durable. Either way, Best of luck with the project.

Stormin' Norman

2008-11-05, 22:46 PM

Yep, that's it Powder Coating. Flows out level into the pits and scratches. Thanks for that kick-start. You get over 40 and CRS creeps in. Can't Remember Sh!t. :evilsmile:

gpd294

2008-11-06, 09:37 AM

LOL! Add a drink or two and I forget how to tie my shoes!!! :rl:

Stormin' Norman

2008-11-06, 10:32 AM

LOL! Add a drink or two and I forget how to tie my shoes!!! :rl:

Heck I've done that sober! :rofl2:

Dr B Smith

2008-11-14, 14:38 PM

http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/41930/2848767540102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2848767540102637081NEnuJn)
http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/22021/2932149750102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2932149750102637081NBydZe)
Tight fit and very little brakes!
http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/42929/2287309880102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2287309880102637081LivUyk)

Thats me in the orange shirt very relieved its on without a scratch
http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/41814/2465664760102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2465664760102637081MofQqM)
Johnny Mock owner of Mocks Autobody. Could not have done this without them!!
http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/16407/2323515700102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2323515700102637081ClPgxy)

On its way to the shop for installation of engine, and transmission.
http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/32154/2240284080102637081S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2240284080102637081QZjVrD)